Gun guys recognize the potential in the .358. No matter if its books, art or hunting cartridges, its only those with a deep understanding of the subject who can fully understand the greatness often buried in obscurity. My .375 H&H seemed quite adequate. Honestly, Ive taken as many elk with the .30-06 as with any other cartridge, and the farthest at 350 yards was no problem. There is certainly no lack of .358-inch diameter bullets to choose from but brass is limited. The nearest of any to the .358 Norma was the .35 Newton, which it closely resembles. Choose at least medium weight for caliber: 140 grains in 6.5mm and the lighter 7mms; 140 and 150 grains in .270s; 150 to 160 grains in faster 7mms; 165 or 180 grains in .30 calibers. The quest for an acceptable .35 has inspired such impotent wastes as the .35 Winchester Self Loader, once labeled a candidate for the title: Worlds Most Useless Center-Fire Rifle Cartridge.. But starting in the late 1950s, the .338 bore size gained considerable tractionthanks to the emergence of the .338 Winchester Magnum. With such a variety of bullets, you would think the skys the limit in terms of different loads, but there are other factors to consider. Also, after a few dozen elk hunts, Ive seen many taken effectively with lighter cartridges. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. Mag. The 338/06 when compared to the .35 Whelen only beats it with the lighter bullets and not by much. A failed product is often said to be ahead of its time, which is usually just a polite way of saying nobody wanted to buy it. For this reason, anyone acquiring a .358 Norma should start low with every load and work up slowly and carefully. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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From the Green Goblin (a bolt-action rifle I built on a Remington action), both will produce groups that are sub-minute-of-angle. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, Reloading Centerfire Ammunition: Tips For Getting Started, Shooting and Loading the 6.8x43 mm Rem. Petersen's HUNTING Publisher, Kevin Steele is in the CZ booth with Dylan Rice at SHOT Show to talk about CZ 600 Series Trail rifle. The experimentation with the H&H cases, first by Weatherby and later by Winchester and Remington, certainly changed the way we hunted and made our purchases; magnum mania definitely took root. Its a decent cartridge, but American hunters just wont flock to it. On those gray, moody November days when I am feeling blue I take my Remington Model 141 pump-action rifle in .35 Rem. I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. Where the .338 Winchester drives its 250-grain bullet to 2650 fps, the .358 Norma beats that figure by 100 fps or so, delivering over 4,200 ft.-lbs. The .35 Whelen has a relatively simple design: it's a .30-06 Springfield case necked up to use .358 instead of .308 bullets (the exact opposite of the .270 Winchester in other words). plowed fresh ground. The parent of this cartridge is the .30-06 Springfield, which is necked-up to accept a bullet diameter of .358 in (9.1 mm).This cartridge is more powerful than its parent, especially in killing power on large game. For example, take the most powerful of the factory standardized .35's, the .358 Norma Magnum. I think Jack OConnor, the great champion of the .270, would agree. Barnes has a Vor-TX load with a 180-grain TSX bullet and a muzzle velocity of 2900 f.p.s. Normas original spec sheet for the .358 Norma Magnum when it was released in 1959 indicated the cartridges ballistics. Why cant we love the .35? The trouble is, they didnt sell. This is a particularly apt comparison because the re-introduced .350 is available in the Remington Model Seven rifle, which is also offered in .300 short magnum calibers. of muzzle energy. With modern powders the muzzle velocities can certainly beat those of the Cordite loads a century ago, especially in a modern rifle. The .358 in a bolt-action rifle with a good scope is as accurate as any hunting cartridge available. G. Joined: Sep 2009. It was an 03 Springfield action, unknown barrel, very nice piece of wood, all the fancy metal work done (custom trigger, side safety ala Rem 700, cocking knob and safety removed, milled floorplate, forged bolt, speedloader slots removed, D&T'd ,polished and blued). Alas, to the best of my knowledge, its not imported to the U.S. Ive seen many elk taken cleanly with a .270 Winchester, and my own longest shot on an elk was on a big New Mexico bull at 400 yards using a .270 Winchester with a 150-grain Nosler Partitionone step and down. An elk is bigger than anything most deer hunters have encountered, but theres still a variance; a cow for the freezer isnt much bigger than a very large deer, but a mature bull elk is different. Its often thought that if they had it would have gained popularity over the .338 Win. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. as a way to boost the power of the Model 94 lever-action rifle. Shaw rifles 24-inch barrel. Had the .358 Norma Magnum been chambered in an American rifle, or at least promoted by an American company, the popularity of the cartridge may have been much greater than it is. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. 9.3x62 boots 320gr Woodleigh protected points and weldcore round noses out at 2400 fps with RL-17. If you handload your ammunition, it will make feeding a .358 Norma that much easier, just realize you wont find ammunition at a general store, or even at most gun shops, for that matter. The .35 Rem. Then come the .30s, and now were talking business. The recent introduction of a Hornady LeverEvolution factory load for the .35 Remington has usefully improved its ballistics. I did kill a ton of squirels with pistol bullets and a little 700X, it would shoot little cloverleafs at 50 yrds. Mag. Any desire to hunt African dangerous game with your medium bore? Energy figures have it knocking at the door of 375H&H. 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I shot my first bull elk in Montanas Pioneer Mountains on a snowy Thanksgiving in 1972. The .338-inch fans cite the advantage of the higher sectional density figures, while the .358-inch camp favors the better frontal diameter of the larger bore. and the 6.5 mm Rem. I have a .356 Win. R Rocky Most were intended for .38-caliber handguns, but any bullet made for either the .38 Special or .357 Magnum can be loaded and shot in the .358 Norma Magnum with varying degrees of success. And those sentiments can be an awful lot of fun. The .358 is vastly underated as the Whelen. Though still under construction, Im eager to take the classic cartridge into the hunting fields. Can this be made into a .358 Norma Mag or must I do a .35 Whelen. They will also slap down lighter game like deer, feral hogs and black bear with authority, of course. I think it would be cheeper to get another action or a magnum bolt. Avoid quick-opening bullets, especially match bullets; instead, choose controlled-expansion designs intended for hunting larger game. That is quite a few cartridges considering that there is not a single best selling rifle cartridge in the bunch. .500 Nitro Express. Would be nice to have a 35 Wheelie, 350 Rem and a .358 Win. In cartridges, as in boxing, what goes on behind the scenes often determines the outcome. A monster buck is different from a fork-horn or a fat doe. Also H&R 1871, Inc., offered single-shot rifles in .35 Whelen from 1994 to 1996. There are places where .22 centerfires are legal for elk. You can never lead if you always follow; the other cartridges were designed to chase Winchesters success, while the .35 Rem. Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? Out of stock View Details . all were more powerful-and may have been excellent hunting cartridges-but they are gone; rejected by the shooting public and banished to the junk heap of obsolescence. This stumpy little cartridge was introduced to the hunting public in 1908 and is the only surviving member of the early class of Remington rimless cartridges. Customer experience was, and still is, the primary focus, a key to the firms longevity and success. Follow along to see exactly how. Heres a look at 10 of the most flexible long-range hunting cartridges. I had the privilege of spending some time with a 1917 vintage take-down Rigby-Mauser rifle while on a hunt in Scotland, and the words sweet shooting came quickly to mind. Perhaps thats how it should be, the masses rarely embrace true greatness. Is there a way to find out what year it is by serial #? Hornady has a Superformance load with a 200-grain SP at 2910 f.p.s. There werent many factory .358 Norma Magnum rifles mademost were Husqvarnas or Schultz & Larsensbut many American gunsmiths converted the Mauser 98, Springfield 03-A3 and the like to the big .35, as it made an absolutely perfect choice for those headed north to Alaska. was designed for the American market, but sadly no American riflemaker ever chambered the cartridge in a cataloged gun. Cartridges that in many cases cannot match the killing power, at normal hunting ranges, of comparable .35's. Hunting Shack 35WHELEN1N Game King 35 Whelen 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. Lyman lists 47 different moulds that were available at one time or another, ranging in bullet weight from 70 to 282 grains. Included in that have been a whole bunch of deer, hogs and a bear or two. Remington loads a 200-grain PSP Core-Lokt bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2775 f.p.s. Mag. Kevin Steele, Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING talks with JJ Reich of HEVI-Shot about the new offerings for 2023. Like most of the children of the Holland & Holland parents, the .358 Norma uses its shoulder for headspacing, rather than the belt, as do the .375 and .300 H&H. Mag.They have almost identical case capacity, but the .358 Norma Mag. The Remington Model 600 Magnum rifle, along with the cartridge it birthed, was just such a product. Winchester still offers ammunition, but the guns are history. However, Winchesters .338 Magnum proved to be the darling of not only those bound for the 49th state, but for those hunting elk and moose at lower latitudes. In the mid 70's I picked up a 358Norma. Synthetic stocks arent always lighter than wood, but they are stronger and more stable, and elk hunting can be hard on rifles. PerH AH fanatic Joined May 8, 2021 Messages 536 Reaction score 813 Location Norway Articles 2 Jun 4, 2021 #5 of muzzle energy. Quite honestly, the .350 Rigby isnt a cartridge Id describe as practical, but if you are looking for something quite left of center, this may be for you. I'm looking for a simpler project on this one. Coming from me, this conclusion may shock you, so let me give you another surprise. Most Professional Hunters agree that a bullet with a S.D. So when it comes to penetrating thick hide and heavy bone, one could see where the .350 Rigby could benefit from a heavier bullet, say a premium 250-grain with a SD of .279. With todays interest in long-range shooting, big scopes are in, but powerful scopes add weight. Folks who live in elk country may consciously seek a cow for the freezer. The Norma factory load, with Normas own 250-grain bullet, performed poorly, coming apart in the chest cavity. Today, rifles can be made very light, but that can also be overdone because light rifles are whippy and hard to control when youre out of breath and have to settle in for a quick shot. Thats the primary game for many of us, but one size doesnt fit all. Spl. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. into the deer woods, and I pine for what could have been. Real world, the Norma bitchslaps brown bears and moose as convincingly as the 375H&H. Introducing the Veracity PH from Burris, the perfect combination of reliability, quality, and technology delivering a simple aiming solutiona tool for the hunter that just works. Its a great gun for moose and elk, bear and boar, and for bison as well. Mention the Rigby name to any rifle aficionado, and odds are that the famous .416 Rigby cartridge will come quickly to mind, and with good reason; it is an undeniable classic. Mag. However, the optimum game range of the .358 (250 grain bullet at a MV of 2300 fps) is 240 yards. The company made its humble start in 1963in Gussago, Italywhen Giuseppe Pietta made a commitment to produce guns as authentic and true-to-original as possible. The hunter from afar, journeying into unfamiliar country, must also accept the pressure of a limited period of time and the knowledge that it may come down to just one chance. The major problem with light loads is getting enough pressure to provide a good gas seal. 200-grain bullet to almost 2500 f.p.s. The .270 WSM and .270 Weatherby deliver more energy, but all three are fine. The .358 Norma Magnum, like the .358 Shooting Times Alaskan, generates a considerable amount of energy, but due to the caliber restrictions for dangerous game of most of the African countries, it falls shy of the markthe .375-inch bore is minimum for many countries. The .357 Magnum is ideal for light game like javelina and will do for the smaller species of deer and antelope at short range. Boltface would have to be altered for the Norma. The barrel is a full 22 inches, like it always should have been, but the foolish design with the huge shark fin front sight turned hunters off, and it was dropped. The big issue with the .350 Rigby Magnum is the lack of available ammunition. You get the shot you get, and within sensible limits, you must be able to take the shot offered. He never questioned the adequacy of his .270 for elk, nor do I, but he was also a lifelong .30-06 fan and privately conceded its superiority for elk-sized game. was also the only cartridge of that original Remington family that was based on a different parent case. By coincidence, in that same year, Norma Projektilfabrik of Sweden introduced its own heavyweight champion, the .358 Norma Magnum. The .358 Norma Mag. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. Hunting Shack 358NORMA2N Game King 358 Norma 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. Right now, I think that the Browning BLR lever-action rifle is the only production gun left on the market in .358 Win. As it was released in the first century of the 20th century, when the common boundaries of cartridge usage were being defined, the .350 Rigby Magnum was considered an all-around cartridge, especially in the more open terrain of British and German East Africa, known today as Kenya and Tanzania. The body of the .350 Magnum measures 0.517 inches at the base, smaller than the 0.589-inch base of the .416 Rigby. But the .416 is certainly not the only cartridge to bear the Rigby surname; read the works of Walter Dalrymple Maitland Karamoja Bell, or Col. Jim Corbett and the .275 Rigbybetter known as the 7x57mm Mauserwill get all sorts of praise. Loved by gun guys and rejected by the huddled masses, this is perhaps the most underappreciated cartridge of them all. Shaw will make a rifle, as will any other custom, or semi-custom, riflemaker. Between the .25s and the .35s are dozens of cartridges that are versatile and suitable. Got a nice .270 Win MTN Rifle donor 700. As a result of all this activity, .358-inch diameter jacketed rifle bullets are available in a wide range of weights and styles, from 150-grain semipointed to 200- grain roundnose, all the way up to 310 grains for the heaviest game. The cartridge is closely related to the .308 Norma Magnum. Back in 1983 Winchester introduced the .356 Win. in the Big Bore Model 94. The bullet went in behind the near shoulder, struck the far shoulder from the inside, and the blue bull hit the ground with a thud. Winchester and Hornady both offer 200-grain loads at 2475 f.p.s. Trust me, you could do worse, but youll be hard-pressed to do better! With a 200-grain bullet the .35 Whelen actually shoots a bit flatter than the .30-06 Sprg. An elk offers a large target, so extreme magnification shouldnt be necessary. In a letter written to friend Townsend Whelen during early 1920s, Leslie Simpson-- one of the first Americans to become a professional hunter in Africa--opined that the hunting world needed a .35 caliber cartridge . Most ammunition makers have a 200-grain load, and Remington also has a 150-grain load with a muzzle velocity of 2300 f.p.s. Here in North America big game starts with deer. Nils Kvaleone of the chief designers at Normahad experimented with a shortened .300 H&H case, necked to hold 8mm bullets, with the rim turned down to match the 8x57 rim diameter. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is with Dawn Wehunt of Rock River Arms INC. learning about the new Ascendant platform. crying, My kingdom for a rifle.. the problem in this debate is we are crossing over in calibres, which means thrust on different sized pistons. The first time I ever hunted with a .358 Norma Magnum, it was a custom rifle built on a Mauser Mark X action. Is the .358 Norma Magnum a cartridge destined to make a huge comeback? As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. If the .35 Rem. The Newton was supposedly loaded, by Western Cartridge, to 2,975 fps with a 250-grain bullet, but I, for one, would want to see the chronograph reading. Back in the late 70's I picked up a custom 1903 in 358 Norma Mag, awesome rifle, very accurate and it put a thump on deer, I bought it hopping to get a moose tag back in MN, never did and sold the rifle. Unlike either the .338 or .375, the .35 (.358-inch) has been a standard American caliber since 1900. Still have a 9.3 (so I guess it "won"). Clearly, for the hunter seeking heavy game and willing to accept this level of recoil, the .358 Norma Magnum deserves far more popularity than it has received. For the next year, comparisons were inevitable between Johanssons Hammer of Thor and the .358s powerful 250-grain bullet. The .358 Win. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. Sadly, my favorite bullet diameter, the .35 caliber, doesnt even rate a blip on the American shooters radar screen. The Hornady Superformance load for the .35 Whelen launches a 200-grain bullet at a blistering. Bottles & 12-oz. and the .32 Win. would follow that tradition. If the .350 Rigby Magnum was effective in the golden era of safari, modern premium bullet designs will make it even better. With cast bullets, A-5744 and Trail Boss are usually the best choices, although H-4895 is a good powder for midvelocity hunting loads. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. exlcusive user. Essentially the .338 Winchester Magnum necked up to hold .358-inch bullets, the .358 Norma Magnum made all sorts of sense to a hunter in pursuit of large game, such as elk, moose and the great bears of the north. None of this can be said for either the .338 Winchester Magnum or the .375 H&H. 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