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I wonder, did they ever perform a DNA test on the baby, to verify paternity? The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. The District Attorney got this one right. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. And why would the judge not let the information about Jerome being a homosexual be known to the jury.. I expect she will admit it one day. A man was convicted Thursday of helping to hide a brother who was accused of murdering his teenage daughters in Irving more than 12 years ago, the U.S. Attorneys Office announced. State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. We lived close to one another. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? Hoist by my own petard! Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. After all, justice has been served in the eyes of the law, so why go on demonising her? They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. I made the confession on tape that I had rehearsed with the LAPD, said Larry Wright. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? Have a tip we should know? Browns downtown Los Angeles office demanding that he grant Patricia Wright clemency. Follow her on Twitter at www.twitter.com/LizMurraySMC. As to her duration on death row, no: inference cannot be made as to her guilt as theres a woman with about the same time (Holberg) and another with almost as much. Wheres the evidence that Patty was obsessed with Andy? I decided to take the toys and hide them so my mother wouldnt see them, said Alfey, who is now 29 years old. Its definitely getting rougher every day, Andrew told the Morning Call. I noticed quite a few errors myself. Patricia seemed like the girl next door but all of a sudden, something snapped, Katrinak later told Wrong Man investigators. Andy did end up moving to Colorado with her and the last time I checked, they were still together. Nope. Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. Or did they? This article can also be seen at crimereport.com. "You knew how the and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. 8/9/2022 Yaser Said was convicted of capital murder Tuesday in the 2008 fatal shootings of his two teenage daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said. So the issue that he was picking up men in downtown Los Angeles was irrelevant to the case although that couldve been a lead to the killer. Before receiving her final sentence, Patricia Prue, 35, of Waterford addressed the court saying that her biggest regret was not seeking help for her mental health issues earlier. They were not reported until 5:30 the next morning and he had already spliced the phone lines together. Todays arrest of their father, Yaser Said brings us closer to ensuring justice is served on their behalf.. The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. "Please do the right thing for Melissa.". "The one thing I am guilty of is bringing the person who committed this crime to Vermont, and for that, I'm truly sorry" Allen Prue said in an apparent reference to his wife during his December sentencing. I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. Alfey went on to say that he noticed that the woman hosting the model home was following them very closely the whole time that they were there. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. Nope. The men harbored Yaser Said inside an apartment in Bedford, according to court documents, and he was nearly captured after a maintenance worker spotted him in August 2017. "So it was relieving to get guilty verdict and get justice for these girls.". Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. j} [gut('bIKL|kY4`a;]MQ p2x $kw. Its totally irrelevant. They broke up in 1993. Clifford Freeman, since you are already at the top of the list of deluded people not much room left for anyone with an oversized ego such as you apparently have!! (Disclaimer: Im not a big fan of eyewitnesses who come forward years after the fact, but its possible). Patricia I guess the investigators in Pennsylvania managed a quick resolve to a huge case that had a nations eyes scrutinizing their every move! Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. Jealousy was the motive. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. Said showed no emotion as the verdict was read. His hair (back in 94-95) was dirty blonde and roughly 8 inches long. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! If you want to help her let her find peace by admitting her wrong and asking God for forgiveness. Contact Elizabeth Murray at 651-4835 or emurray@freepressmedia.com. Yaser Abdel Said, 63, was arrested Wednesday by agents in the small town of Justin, about 36 miles northwest of Dallas, officials said. Hoist by your own petard. This article is little more than fiction. Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? 5 years prior to all this happening! At one point, Owens looked directly at Said and reminded him of all of the abuse they endured, allegedly having a knife pulled on her. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. Whatever the truth is. Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? I have never seen anything this egregious in all my years.. Pat had a string of bad relationships in her past and was not happy. I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. And its been bad. Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. 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That poor child and that poor woman. In summer, after thawing, there will be small animals eating the body and even turkey vultures, but not so much in the winter. DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. Soon after, Kopta lost her job because she was seeing things and her behavior was disruptive, and then she began to walk the streets to spread her message. Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. Watch Wrong Man season 2, and then come back and make comment. It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! (A good point. Its barely visible in the picture. she didnt need to . 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Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. Patty is my cousin. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. The first rule of a murder is motive. Owens said Said made her a weak woman but that those days are over. And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. He was captured in August and is in state custody. Justice is about uncovering the truth. In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory.. Just one example. It then makes light of the fact that the car in which the (incriminating) hairs were found was absent of any blood. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. Those bodies would have been manipulated by something around there. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. Rest in peace Joann and Alex. They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. The Riverside County public defender stated that the court may reduce her first two offences to misdemeanors because they are classified as wobblers. Wobbler refers to a criminal offense that can be classified as either a misdemeanor or a felony. Keep in mind that 34 hairs are in custody of the state police, so where are the other 4 hairs? If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. Did you personally attend the trial? In April 2019, 69-year-old Patricia was found guilty of second-degree murder and the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. I just watched Reasonable Dont on this case. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. I think we need to realize that each dollar we spend or don't spend could have a serious impact on our society and our safety.". He says he "feared for his life" and left the girls in the cab alive as he ran away. Owens and her sister, Connie Moggio, entered the courtroom together. Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. I dont think she was ever scared until we put the cuffs on her.. "The family has been very patient. Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. During the tour Alfey was able to slip away into a room that was made for a little boy. Phone records dont lie.) And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. Hair we go. How is it that these women are paroled? Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? Patricia was relieved when police took him for custody after 12 years of her daughter's murder. As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. Until next time, cheers. Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? They also raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence, including the lack of fingerprints and eyewitness reports the place Said at the crime scene. Some people are just monsters. Or did they? "Justice would have been the Irving Police Department doing their job," defense attorney Joe Patton said during closing arguments. The defense also criticized Irving Police and federal investigators, claiming they did not properly investigate the case or look for other suspects. It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. He was happy. In your future life in prison I trust that not a day goes by in which you won't revisit your crime.". Especially mice! Jenkins at one time had hired Allen Prue to plow her driveway. They claim in a 911 call from the night of the murders, Sarah said her father was attacking her. Lead Prosecutor Lauren Black called Said a true narcissist who believed he was smarter than everybody else. He was sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Patricia said she didn't have plans to attend Weinstein's trial since she was spending time with her 16-year-old daughter, Harlow, but praised Rosanna's "bravery." Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. Amina Said's mother Patricia Owens Said was not charged with murder. Still, no good leads materialized. A knife and the clothing worn by the victim potentially had all of the answers that would have led to the real murderer, but that evidence was destroyed by the LAPD. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. Warren, who was tearful at the end of the hearing, said she is pleased with the outcome of the case, and that her office was only waiting on the outcome of Allen Prue's appeal. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Another point is the theory developed by the cops that the victim (Joann) was shot just one time and then bludgeoned to death. OK my GUESS is Patricia did do it! CHOOSE1s Three Strikes Reform Act needs 500,000 signatures by July 17 to make the November ballot, CHOOSE1 files new initiative to reform Californias Three Strikes law, The First Friday doc premieres this week at the New Parkway. After the guilty verdict was pronounced, the defense learned that a report from a state psychologist was not given to the jury. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! I attack only those whove considered themselves not only judges on this case, but go on to vent their spleen aimed at a person who in my opinion is innocent of this crime, based on all Ive read and watched without fear of retaliation If they so freely attack someone in the most vicious way, why should they be off limits? It says that Andrew reported the cut phone lines and broken pad lock was reported to the police at 10:30. Combination locks. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two daughters in 2008. All my comments have been vetted and approved by this sites organisers so how do you see yourself as the judge of whats acceptable or not? Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. The defense argued that the 911 call is not clear and that Said was targeted by investigators because he is a Muslim. But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. Yaser Said was found guilty of killing his two daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, in 2008. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! We really thought she was dead all those years. Which Patricia did not, so who is the real killer? As to blood splatter, at a far enough distance, a .22 isnt going to leave much blood splatter, and there probably wont be an exit wound, it will just bounce around the skull, and you dont have to make someone bleed to beat them, and several months in the elements is plenty of time to wash away some evidence as well, although luckily not all. My biggest issue is the day the phone call came in, and the fact that the prosecutor deliberately misrepresented the facts. It was just assumed to be crib death. It was a very big shock to see to know that she was still alive. In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. (We didnt get into the specifics.). One of them from his ex-wife, Patricia Owens. Look into it. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. Incriminating words. Cops under pressure will lie to close a case. She is 100% guilty seen 2 programs on this awful murder and read about it as well. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. Marsicovetere cited studies done by several doctors during pretrial proceedings, saying that they determined Patricia Prue suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and might suffer from dissociative identity disorder as well. But then again I havent actually SEEN the evidence. Conflicting versions. The organization purports that if there were awards for distorted reporting, the Morning Callwould win high honors.. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. She won't see them graduate from college. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. "Most of the community feels bad for the child To see that in the United States bugs me. I really never thought of it again.. If documentaries are, as you claim, biased against Rorrer, the obvious question is why. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! I wanted to get out of there.. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two teenage daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! I do. His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. Lie detectors are pseudo science. Curiously after this latest test, the 39 hairs removed only 34 were accounted for what became of the absent 4 hairs? Not sure why anyone is defending her. If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded.. She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. They portray heavily slanted and biased shows. Police couldnt determine whether the baby died of exposure or suffocation. Jenkins' family left the courtroom without comment on Friday, but they hugged each other once the sentence was ordered. Shes being well taken care of.. According to William G. Kelley, director of the Law Offices of the Orange County Associate Defender, Patricia did not receive a fair trial. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. WebIn burst a group of men and women with their guns drawn. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. She said that she has no idea why her ex-husband killed her daughters. Then international law enforcement was contacted. Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. pTq r |G.H=IO-I7`,|&m2tj1Lo;{~}squ_~zpMq7 Patricia Cole, a veteran copy editor whose sharp eye, quick wit and kind heart made her a cherished colleague at NPR and other news outlets, died on Friday at age 46,

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