Sometimes victims are posed as a signature as if to say when I do this again you will recognize my handy work and give me the credit although we have no evidence to suggest there was any posing at all. Expelled From Law School, Dad Convicted of Mom & Brothers Murder. Important facts released by family. It doesnt seem reasonable to stay out there all that time for no good reason. Distance of residence from crime scene at the time of the crime: Less than 2 miles to the east along the creek. BG himself is both the catfish young man and the older man who is the actual killer, so he is both sketches at once, obviously. Killer? No, LK is the real deal. But many questions still remain around the murders of Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14. If so, where and when? Answers to questions about my credibility. I still have the pic. Turn on desktop notifications for breaking stories about interest? On and on. At 8:20 PM, the police scanner said that A., Mr. Xs wife, was coming to bring Mr. X a spare set of keys. I am featuring a world renowned psychic detective through an interview Ill be conducting tomorrow. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9738939/Lori-Vallow-charged-conspiracy-commit-murder-death-fourth-husband-Arizona.html?fbclid=IwAR2haqAKhF0vqWzP2aKiNyDy14kIG7SCjPxtWVXndA3Dt49wvD5xXRByYT8. At 13 and 14 the cycles are messed up bad. Do you know why FSG was there at the trails; how long hed been there; how he got there; if he drove, what sort of car he drove and where he parked it. On February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail "Abby" Williams and Liberty "Libby" German were discovered off a hiking trail in Delphi, Indiana, United States, after the young girls had disappeared from the same trail the previous day. Welcome to the site! However, Mindtruth has done a number of episodes on our information and I thank Bruce for that very much. Better to let your officers go home for a few hours so theyd be ready for work the next morning. What did Ron Logan have to say about the BG photo? The main suspects DNA is found in the forest around the crime scene. Great to see you back on the case! Police cleared nations as a suspect. He was charged with child molestation, and was linked to the Delphi murders because of his strong resemblance to the man in the Delphi video, and a preliminary police sketch investigators had circulated of the suspect. That makes no sense. Our error rate at the moment is probably under 50% and quite possibly lower, even much lower. They always came home. Wife left him. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. I cant demand that my friends give me money! There was a helicopter/drone photoset going around in a FB group in the last few days (don't remember which group). In fact just based on what I have going on, researching this case is the absolute last thing I should be doing, but its drawing me in, and I cant help it. I am hoping this will possibly fit with somone elses knowledge and it will be helpful. Idle speculation at its finest. Turned out he was just some troll who wanted people to think he committed these murders instead of being the person who actually did them. No one else reacted that way. Posed, which I believe is what this scene is, that is for the offenders gratification.. A heavily-built man in jeans and a blue jacket could be seen approaching the girls, and in a brief snippet of audio that was released the man could be heard saying 'Down the hill' to the girls. He wasnt searching for his keys early on. Im not buying the fact that they just werent equipped to handle an investigation of this magnitude. We think people need to stop talking about DNA. They seriously posted photos just so they could retain cool points. If its who I think it is, you can tell her I said that. Its an understandable reaction, but theyre not pleasant to be around. Theyre Delphi related videos comparing his appearance to BG. Whatever it was that caused her to react in such a way, I just hope she shared with law enforcement. There are 244 comments there. Maybe we need to clear him a 243rd time then just to make sure! Besides, hes the wrong age, 27-28. Is he into numerology? Have you been in contact with her at all? One question: I havent seen this anywhere but have the police questioned Mr. X about the murders? Also, I was interested in whether you may be able to cover Harmony Montgomerys case? I 100% agree about Mr X, and I recently seen a pic of his stepson which I think looks similar to the YBG sketch. If the DA does not think he has enough evidence in a homicide case to win in court, they wont take it to trial. He thinks it is Garrett Kirts. They are within the video. There is a suspected child killer in the Bay Area who is responsible for 5-10 child murders. Garrett said he hopes investigators went to all of the local gun stores to see their records of sales of .40-caliber-type weapons. Guilty until proven innocent! While we see a giant plush bear, thats too weird, so we will defer to the search party lady and agree with her statement. Although the exact murder weapon is redacted in the warrant, Body Bags host and forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan told Grace that the killer likely used an edged weapon, given the amount of blood found at the crime scene. Now, I have denied knowing something that I actually knew, but that was to protect the integrity of an investigation. He also allegedly asked his cousin to back up his story before the girls bodies had been found. BA, Journalism, Cal State University Long Beach, 1981. Investigators tracked Logans activities on the day of the murders and determined he was not forthcoming. We regard Leaker as credible, but we now demand sources beyond his level to be considered probative. Allen "has been consistent" in police interviews over the years, former FBI agent and ABC News contributor Brad Garrett said. He stopped for gas and cigarettes. Now, that does NOT necessarily indicate staging. It said she was coming to deliver the keys. No, he came up with the lost my keys gambit to explain why his car sat at the cemetery from 6:30 PM the day of the crime to 12:30 PM the next day when the girls bodies were found, a period of 18 full hours. The crime occurred on February 13, or 2/13. Why would we do that? Also there are rumors that the girl left a note explain her pregnancy in a tree in her backyard. No Im just a mechanic in Boston Mass. R/LibbyandAbby does allow rumors and speculations, so at least they get some good posts and posters, while the overall mood is still a downer. He uses all kinds of weird aliases. . Very hard to really tell anything a lot of shadows from trees and debris on ground. Police officers announced about the Delphi massacre. Bob Matlock, owner of the now-closed Jessies Bar & Grill, said Richard Matthews Allen and his wife were regular customers, often talking about the murders of 14-year-old Liberty Libby German and 13-year-old in 2017. I would like to know if he has any motorcycle club affiliation, especially regarding a certain outfit with a reputation to be feared around that area? I have no idea either way, but its just something that has bothered me because I dont see him being brought up nearly as much as some others who have had little to no connection to this case. We have your fingerprints on the counter.. Its odd how there is that other photo of what looks like BG sitting on park bench. That is when they discovered the fake anthony_shots profile, soliciting minor girls online. According to Garrett, it's unlikely Allen would be bloody if a gun was the only murder weapon, unless Allen handled the bodies in some manner. You mentioned a pic of CSI workers with a doll a couple of days ago did anything come of this? He posted a photo on Facebook around three weeks to a month after the murders. I realize unsolved would be a magnet for that but wow. The case is still being actively investigated. She has been featured in Psychic Investigators, Paranormal Witness, and interviewed by Nancy Grace! I will kill again,' one note found in 1990 read. Thank you Mr. Lindsay for significant information on this terrible case. Some insist that this is merely a coincidence, but apparently LE do not think it is coincidental. We do indeed have documents from the case. When we line the two theories against each other, ours wins hands down. The reason why I didnt send the letter was because I was moving across country and strongly felt as though law enforcement would not take my views seriously. Allen's wife confirmed to police that he owns a blue Carhartt jacket, the document said. The Monon High Bridge trail attracts hunters, fishers, campers and kids hiking or just taking photos of the popular spot. Neither he nor his father have been arrested over the Delphi Bridge killings, which police continue to investigate. The truth is that some of the things LE said in that conference are true. This happened b/w the mid-80s to early-90s. I found your article very interesting and thought provoking. So yeah, if you type in Mr Xs real govt registered name into the old YT, you get a handful of cryptic videos, slideshows with creepy music typical for this sort of thing. Police Handout. 5) He parked near the cemetery, but not at the cemetery. How do I do this? Not so much for 15 year old girls. "It seems like there is something more to it than just a gun.". 3) This man is a *heavy* smoker and a functioning alcoholic. $20/lifetime membership. Join the best Delphi sleuthing group of all! A sheet with a smiley face on it at the crime scene, possibly hung from a tree. Enough is enough. Suspect: Ok, you got me. You said parent, so that gives me a clue. Can you email me with her name, please? Theres only one parent. The manner of death has never been revealed. It was all over by 3:30 sure takes a lot of the heat off of LE for calling off that search, amirite? Face is in quotes because it's likely my mind just making a rational picture out of sticks and tree trunks. I didnt mean to imply that, sorry. I have to say that I noticed a lot of CSI activity at a location far from that bank. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. It is interesting that they are looking for precisely 43 seconds of audio. 3 This source close to the retired detective will be referred to as an LE source close to the investigation. When investigators got that device, they found that many files had been deleted and social media apps uninstalled. I think he may have had over 1,000 photos/videos on his drives or possibly more. Police say they ruled Eldridge out as a suspect, and that he did not match an updated sketch of the suspect. I ask this because another theory says they could have gone up the creek to a barn and then they should have dry clothes. This girl was refusing to get an abortion that he wanted her to get. They werent that close. Then that's no "grudge"., That's called pure evil. He prefers whiskey, its his drink of choice and hes off without it. He was like a manager there or something, in Delphi!!! Libbys phone did not record him for 43 seconds. The killer contacted Libby on social media using the "catfish" of a young man aged 19. The man has never been identified. He was married to Becky Pattys sister at the time, and I believe it was about a week afterwards that she posted on social media her husband was a monster then deleted it. LE doesnt like being lied to, especially when they are investigating a double homicide. I guess this need continues into adulthood, but I like a little meat on my bone. Tony Kline is 65, 310 pounds! Find these clothes, they will be what solves this! movements and events. The release of the search warrant comes several months after Indiana State Police announced that they were investigating a fake online profile called anthony_shots in connection to the case. Cookie Notice Thanks again for the interesting and jaw dropping article!!! CN: Middle aged man, resident of Delphi. He was right in the middle of all the police and media, and no one suspected him. Hunting partner of Anthony Greeno, podcaster who has reported on the case avidly. I noticed your nice comment on my YouTube page, thank you so much for your reply! Sexual age orientation: Pedohebephilia, nonexclusive, AOA 8-14. Keep in mind that we are not claiming that anything listed below as Unverified is true, although some it has a good chance of being true. Leave this poor man alone, for Gods sake. This has helped me a lot. Sometimes there are deliberate injuries to the mouth, including bullet wounds, as a sign that someone "talked.". It was stated that Libby was nude. Theres only one parent. 7) Hes local. If you have heard about this case and wish to discuss it, feel free. The doc is his property. Not even Becky Patty and she was probably more devastated than anyone and probably still is. Best friends Libby German, 14, and Abby Williams, 13, lost a lot of blood during their murders with an unspecified weapon and were not killed in the same location where their bodies were discovered close to a trail where they had set off on a fun day out together just hours earlier. But after reading all of this my personal opinion I think 3 people are involved. We believe he did this because there may have been incriminating evidence in there. (The person from the FB post that is) their bodies were quite close to water. I never knew what evidence anyone had against this guy except, He kills chicks! Long, 22 pages. "He put himself at the scene, on the bridge.". His home was searched and he was arrested shortly after the killings, but he was released and never charged. They were town volunteers, right? He cant even drive a car! BG is a 50 year old man and the three other men are younger, age 17-26. Im limited in my sleuthing skills. That person is probably some local creep getting revenge since those girls parents were into the same bullchit. Wait so the part about him recording the crime is some search warrant given to someone where the cops wanted to check media files. Yes, they did record audio of themselves torturing those girls. Makes no sense at all. His full name is Richard Matthew Allen. At the very least he could have made misleading statements. What it does do, however, is make LE appear to be slightly less incompetent for calling off that search if Abby and Libby were confirmed to have been deceased before the search even started. What are they doing to move this forward? R/DelphiMurders is completely useless due to their no rumors or speculation rules, which means that you can only discuss what is proven about the case, which after four years, is just about nothing. I almost have to wonder if thats why he later concocted the story about the keys, perhaps as an afterthought when he realized it would be hard to explain why he asked to search for the girls but then didnt find them somehow, Uhh I was more focused on finding my keys, I must have overlooked the two dead girls I was looking for in the first place.. Amazingly, Libby German took a video of a man walking behind her and Abby Williams on the bridge, who is believed to be the killer. And I happen to be trained as a Journalist. Im not saying anymore in an attempt to protect LEs directive. Im nothing at all like how they describe me. A number of strange objects were found around the Evansdale girls similar to the bizarre images decorating the Delphi crime scene. One of his many interesting hobbies was abducting and raping young women. The gun failed the tests and was returned to the home. Authorities have released no connections between Chadwell and the Delphi murders. Missing for 2 years at the age of 5 and reported 2 years later out of Manchester, NH. I actually had written a letter to law enforcement that I failed to send, of which I was reading from. Highly suspicious and the states that are responsible are more interested in getting into pissing contests as opposed to finding her. I dont know if they were part of the search parties. was unsealed by a county court on Tuesday, revealing key new details. There are signatures on the document. My money is on an edged weapon. And there are some good posters on r/LibbyandAbby; its just that they happen to be in the minority and all the best posters get downvoted to Hell and the people who are dead wrong get scores of upvotes! Yes, this man is the prime suspect at the moment, but that doesnt mean a whole lot. They have most recently stated that they want to avoid double jeopardy. Of course we don't know how the bodies were found and if they were posed or staged, we only know that the crime scene was unbelievable disturbing and horrible. But answer me this. Daniel Nations, a registered Indiana sex-offender, was arrested in Colorado in September 2017 after threatening hikers with a hatchet. Investigators believe the man is the killer. Allen told investigators on Oct. 13, 2022, that he wore jeans and a blue or black Carhartt jacket that day, according to the probable cause affidavit. The act of leaving a victim's body in an unusual position is a conscious criminal action by an offender to thwart an investigation, shock the finder and investigators of the crime scene, or give perverted pleasure to the killer. Number 5 was told to JM, an excellent local sleuth, and then to us by an Indiana detective who works in Narcotics based on crime scene photos he had seen. which has been viewed more than 18,000 times. Indiana police looked into Bruce in connection to the Delphi murders, but no charges have been handed down. This family member may maintain a different surname, by generation, but they are in fact, related! I think what you meant to say is that the Supreme Court ruled that if the police lie to a suspect during an interrogation, his eventual admission of guilt can be considered by the jury. Like a coward, we would add. The Indiana State Superintendent of Police is proud of the arrest of an accused in the Delphi massacre. We are not sure of Mr. Xs current job, but we think he might be selling wooden signs that he makes by himself and sells. He was searching for the girls. For one, its a gross violation of journalistic ethics, and I was trained to be a journalist I have a BA in Journalism and worked as an editor of a large magazine, among other things. Similar murder conditions. But its definitely him! I do not feel comfortable using his initials or certainly his name. Becky Patty: Obviously theyre not accusing her of the homicides! Wheres the rest of it? Wait so the part about him recording the crime is some search warrant given to someone where the cops wanted to check media files? It is unclear when and where the photo was taken. Shes also written a book and is aware of my coverage. Something to think about. it would have been nice to track the boot prints around the cemetery to the crime scene to the river but I would assume all that evidence is gone. Thanks for all the info much appreciated. 21:06 GMT 30 Oct 2022 He lives in an ivory colored mobile looking home within the country. On March 5 th ,1987 Shirley Bailey went to visit her . Thats why he has those Packers boots on. Another one of the videos had what Im assuming is a LinkedIn profile of some sort spliced into the slide show for a brief moment. Bottom line is the quality of our sources has increased dramatically over time. 12) Buried clothing of his stained with the girls blood on his property! Allen's lead defense attorney Brad Rozzi did not respond to a request for comment and fellow attorney Andrew Baldwin declined to comment. Plenty of time to get numbers, etc. Found an interesting article regarding the act of stating and posing bodies. This is at a time when he and his alibi place him out of town in a nearby city. Im not sure I understand what covered means. Where is the balance? No, he didnt kill his own granddaughter. (WISH) Investigators believe the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were "moved and staged" at the Delphi murder scene, according to court documents obtained by I-Team 8. Please email if you do not want to reply here. Hence, following Occams, our theory is the best explanation of the facts. Please refresh the page or navigate to another page on the site to be automatically logged inPlease refresh your browser to be logged in, Shocking new details have come to light about the murders of best friends Libby German, 14, and Abby Williams, 13, in a search warrant obtained by podcast The Murder Sheet and shared with The Independent, Find your bookmarks in your Independent Premium section, under my profile, This grainy image was taken on Libbys phone on the trail the day the girls went missing. It was my understanding that a local news channel had posted 1 crime scene photo to their Facebook page, and that it was of clothing in the creek. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. He doesnt want to get uncovered revealing official case documents to the media. Im not stupid. Too much points to them to be coincidence. Im really worried about people bothering or harming this guy and his family. Finally, after five long years, the Indiana State Police has charged a 50-year-old local man with the Delphi murders of two teenage best friends, Libby German and Abby Williams. Even after the arrest of a suspect on Oct. 26, police have declined to answer most questions about the case, saying they don't want to jeopardize the prosecution. Hes afraid hes going to be framed with these murders, a reasonable fear. Why would they deliberately contradict their own beliefs? Also we dont know what they interrogated Ron about either. I believe you could be spot on with your main POI. Five years ago today, in Delphi, Ind., two best friends, Abigail Williams, 13, and Liberty German, 14, went missing while on a hike through the city's . Problem is they only have nine markers on that partial sample. Its $20. FSG didnt recognize him either, and Im sure that FSG and Mr. X knew each other. And sickeningly, the murderer 'staged' the girls' bodies in a particular way after killing them, although it remains unclear exactly how he did this. 14) For more, see video, though this is the gist of it. LE doesnt have much in the way of good, solid evidence against Mr. X. For more than five years, the families of the two girls have been searching for answers as to what happened and who was responsible for their murders. Paul, I know exactly what videos you are talking about on YouTube. At this point, they dont even have enough for an arrest. I am trying to be vague. In the years before his arrest, Miller had left numerous notes in public places saying the killer of Tinsley would strike again. Im the one who did it. Bruce was noted for having a similar stature to the man seen in the Delphi video, and also wore similar clothes during his St. Louis crime as the man in the video Libby and Abby took. Henceforth, he will be known as LE Source A. LE has no clue what is going on. Big KAK getting hungry and Dad is no longer speaking to him. Thank you for all the work on the Delphi case. Heavily redacted court documents say that state police and the FBI encountered Kline in 2017 while conducting a search warrant in Peru, Indiana. He has pleaded not guilty to the charges. Get real. If you wish to join, please go here. Cause of death of one girl was a deep cut to the throat. I live in Pennsylvania and have been interested in this case since the time it happened. I cant tell you how many searches I participated in when I was in uniform for kids this age. Apparently he planned this abduction to occur at precisely this time, which is shocking. When Allen voluntarily spoke to police on Oct. 26, 2022, he said he never allowed anyone to borrow that gun, which he said he owned since 2001, the document added. You write an article saying some guys not involved, and you get swamped with threats to track and hunt you down? Kelsi has been cleared. On February 13, 2017, Libby and Abby took a hiking trip at the abandoned Monon High Bridge, in an outing that was only meant to be for a few hours. Investigators have explained that the details of the crime scene indicate a signature, which can help them identify the killer. Brad Holder: Brads son, Jason, was Abbys boyfriend. It has those wooden, beaded seat covers. Two young girls disappear off of an extraordinarily dangerous bridge in the middle of the day when they had plans to be picked up at a specific time? Its a dead end. However, we presently lack evidence that Mr. X worked at Indiana Packers. There were definitely some perverse acts done to these girls, but I believe they were done to them after they were already dead. Underwear, possible two pairs, was found in the river. People really seem to take him at face value and think that because he is older, hes not capable of committing such a crime. Innocent people are hurt and killed in these cases, but theyre not really high profile and we dont have time to mess with this epidemic. Old Abigail Abby Williams. A series of events where one girl screamed and then was quickly hit on the head with a blunt object, which we believe is a gun butt. The sketch of the younger man is the catfish of the 19 year old boy used to lure in Libby from Snapchat. In the case of the search of the Maxwell home, a gun was taken from the home in order to do ballistics tests on it.
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