Roddenberrys imprint on Next Gen made the characters not flawed enough for some tastes, granted, but Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and Enterprise have countless examples of human foibles and emotions sure, not to the degree as Discovery, with its ship full of Barclays as one commenter put it, rhetorically. IMHO, if she usually eats well, trains and commits to staying healthy, then life can be a lot of fun leading an active adventurous life while still enjoying food and fine dining and it is irrelevant what people say about her looks. I have this image in my head of the EPs saying to Mack that theyd like species that havent been main characters in other shows and asking him to give a list of options for a big and strong species, a species without a bianary gender etc. This post (handouts bad habits yada yada yada) is your latest misogny, homophobia and white supremacy , and I am sick and tired of it. Tilly should have been introduced as female Barclay or a less extreme version of junior lieutenant Picard in Tapestry (the alternate timeline where his career stalled after avoiding getting stabbed in the heart). So smart in the Starfleet tradition. Im sorry if the idea of someone not like Discovery upsets you, but its unreasonable to expect people to change their minds for that reason. Diplomacy? 71 comments so far. The Berman era had specific ideas about things like accents and music that kind of locked it into something fairly homogeneous. Her character Tilly is not my favorite on the show but body shaming is a shameful act by itself. Thank you for your counter opinion. Saying that its the job of actors to tell people whats healthy and whats not is the problem, not a solution. Unless you want to count Ezri Dax she was a therapist but I dont believe she heald a high ranking command position. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. Shes a badly conceived written and conceived character theyve desperately tried to bolster. DS9 Avatar books 1 and 2 were quite good and helpfully kicked off the DS9 Relaunch sequence. How is she supposed to sound considering nobody knows what people in the 23rd century will talk like? Star Trek is supposed to be socially progressive but this show went too far. David, has Michael becoming captain changed Books relationship with her? And yeah, some of us are coach potatoes, most of us certainly not gold cut supermodels. Tillys anxiety got old real fast. So many characters, and all were very well developed with interesting stories. I know most dont share my opinon that after a terrible first half of S1, I have generally liked Discovery but making Tilly first officer was quite possibly the most ridiculous plot twist in the history of Trek. In general, the Litverse kicks off with the TNG A Time to series that fills in events between the movies Insurrection and Nemesis. Im a human being, you know? Its very possible Mary Wiseman wanted off the show, or needed a bit of a break. The U.S.S. She's interviewed several Star Trek . Perhaps they had a second or third language that they use regularly. It is also available on Netflix in 190 countries around the world. I notice that for whatever reason certain words will trigger the language to switch to French on my phone, and then I have to go back and correct everything. There is a great scene back in S1 when Tilly and Burnham are doing cardio training and post workout are eating their protien, carbs and fat nutrition, something that the body requires after a hard cardio workout. I keep reading she shouldnt be in Starfleet because she is socially and emotionally immature. But Tilly and the nervous mess Adira has devolved into? Shes fantastic and looks fantastic doing it! Respectfully, to anyone somehow offended by that. Thats just a matter of preference. I keep saying this but its a great time to be a Star Trek fan again! (OMG, weve gone way off topic lol. What was your point to this comment, anyway, except to minimize and dismiss support for plus-size women? Watch as SFX makeup transforms Doug Jones into Saru for Star Trek: Discovery. Body shaming is wrong and immature. She could of made it what we call General American/mid-Atlantic to neutralize it a little. With predictive spelling and multiple languages available, incorrect word choice is a constant threat even when one does type in the correct word. Keep up the great work ladies! Harry wasnt annoying. Release date: Star Trek Discovery season 4 will release on November 18 in the US. In fact most iterations of Trek the actors have provided a neutral delivery of their native accent. His Voyager appearances were also horrid. And Books starshipthink of it as Star Treks answer to the Astro Megaship from Power Rangers in Space. Smart doesnt mean competent. It is not others right to tell someone how their body should be that sort of thing was done with slaves. Her character of Cadet Tilly in Star Trek Discovery is warm and positive. She served aboard the USS Discovery while still a cadet in 2256, later commissioned as an ensign . No it says a lot about the incredibly dangerous message she is sending. And I felt that was ridiculous. But its at least nice they came to their senses with that ridiculous story turn (unlike Kirk). Shes not going anywhere. I for one have always had to watch my weight and I still wage the battle to this day. Although the last TNG with Trois mom wasnt terrible. However, with the successive changes in show runners the coherence of Burnhams development has been lost. They seemed to only be limited by what that particular script called for that week. Its good to have ALL type of people/stories in our Star Trek Universe. However, in the same interview she also talked about how some fans have not been so supportive in season three: I noticed theres definitely been an uptick in body-shaming towards me and Tilly this season, which was harrowing because Im a person, I have a history and bullying is totally a part of that. Age is affecting my memory haha. Originally I imagined him as Denzel Washington or Blair Underwood, but after belatedly watching The Wire and Luther I think Idris Elba would be a really good match. If you cant understand that message, then you are very much part of the problem. Ichebs torture on Picard was horrible and the eating ganglia in S1, yikes! Im glad we are finally seeing it. (laughs). Im proud to be here and I am proud to wear my skin-tight costume and proud of my body. By: Laurie Ulster I LOVE the future! You are correct, it comes down to the same thing, poor plot development. STAR TREK and its various marks are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc. 2023 CBS Studios Inc./Paramount Pictures Corp. 2006-2023 SciFanatic Network | Legal/Privacy Info, Copyright 2023 | MH Newsdesk by MH Themes, Podcast: All Access Dives Into The Latest Episode Of Picard And Probes Star Treks TV (And Movie) Future, BREAKING: Star Trek: Discovery To Conclude With Season 5, Review: Star Trek: Picard Runs Deep In Seventeen Seconds, Watch Picard And Riker Reverse Their Classic Roles In Star Trek: Picard Episode 303 Clip, J.J. Abrams Talks Compelling Story For Star Trek 4; Chris Pine Expresses Frustration Over Wait. I have nothing against Mary Wiseman. Unity? Not sure what the formal CBS/Paramount process is for publishing that kind of stuff, but the story was so detailed that I genuinely wanted to begin looking into it. Something happened to Tilly (Wiseman) and Bryce (Rowe). That promise was fulfilled in last weeks season finale, and Wiseman is talking about her return. Mary Wiseman: We dont have that many scenes together but theres a lot of tension between us just as actors and personalities. Also the writers, Erika Lipoldt and Bo Yeon Kim. My only issue with Captain Killy is that she died that wonderful red hair blonde. Even 1,000 years into the future, Burham cannotoh well, that is a different story for a different post. David Ajala: What about Grudge in the mirror universe? In season one and early season two, I was finding it credible as a case of someone who had unresolved PTSD and was unmoored from the culture that had encouraged her to supress her trauma. Let it die. Therefore, I love her. Just take a little trip down the hellhole that is a tabloids message boards and youll see the kind of body shaming of male and female actors and celebrities that exists out there. She let go in S4 of her parents expectations and embraced a new purpose. Except that would imply that her being there was the exception rather than the rule. Wait I havent watched season 4, nor will I ever after the stupidity that was season 3 But now shes a leader at the academy?! Overcome her issues. So, hes likely a good fit for the Hageman brothers who say that they want to bring the Wrath of Khan feeling to the Prodigy audience. This time, even if I wanted that, my body said: no were going to take some time here, we need to heal. And so, I find myself in this bigger, fuller body and it made me appreciate where I was before. Shes a product of poor writing, constantly ditzy and trying to be the light relief to the point where its eye rolling. Its sci-fi, brah. As long as Wesley Crusher exists she will always be in a race for that title. Mary Wiseman: Right, when you use empathy for evil, its manipulation. Personally I would put Barclay and Trois Mom in that group too, but not sure recurring characters belong with regulars in this race. Mary Wiseman is a good actress but even with that, if Star Trek Discovery was shot in 80s or 90s producers would probably force her to go on a diet or even fire her. I think theres room for it. Understanding? While not getting specific about if or where we will see Tilly again, Wiseman also hinted the finale was not the end of her story: Tilly is not somebody who lets people leave her life. It took this for me to finally accept who I am. How does Tillys scientific mind come into play in solving the crisis of the anomaly in season four? Up ahead, we explain what happened to Tilly in the recent episode and also discuss actor Mary Wiseman's status on the show. Keep up the great work ladies! I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. She opted that she had a different calling within the world of teaching and, in the end, she decided that she wanted to chase that feeling. I know a thing or two about haters-pay no mind. Biography So when very capable people feel un-capable, crazy things happen. He was in the Travis Mayweather category. I agree 100%. But respect is always earned and never enforceable. For now, Wiseman is busy starring in the new comedy play At the Wedding at the Lincoln Center Theater in New York. There are characters you really cherish and others that are fun but ultimately nothing special. It makes sense there would be and that they be a part of the medical team. I dont see a repeated notion that DISCO saved Trek by heavily incorporating emotion into their characters. Martin-Green says she has come to accept changes in her body, especially after the birth of her second child shortly before production on season three: With my first pregnancy I bounced back without trying (which is a crime, by the way, that we expect women to do that after birth rather than focus on healing). I didnt like Reed from Enterprise, does that make me a troll? I never felt that what has come before should define the franchise in the future. The writers may love the character, but they also appreciate that the actor is a real person who might want variety in their career. I agree, the writing, character development, and story telling needs to improve. What? Shes responsible for her subordinates and to lead by example. Absolutely. He was competing in show jumping events with his horses until at least his 70s. I just hope now that she has been made captain, all her baggage will be finally gone. I have to agree. As for the debate about sending the message being overweight is good: the heart of the issue is that everybodys body is their own, not health and physical fitness. I cant stand any sentence (especially related to DSC) which starts off with Everybody loves Its never true. Harry wasnt annoying watching him was just sad :-D. Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. Fan favourite is a bit of a stretch..quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history By being visible on your TV screen? Mary Wiseman is a beautiful lady as is Sonequa Martin-Green. I do not endorse body-shaming in any way, as I was bullied as a kid years ago. Theyve written Tilly as just the straight oh theres Tilly for the jokes. Shes one of the shows most divisive characters. Fitness may be in the eye of the beholder, as hes commented himself that contempories his age have to hit the head just a bit more often. By: TrekMovie.com Staff The mirror Tilly and the ISS Discovery appear in the "Mirror of Discovery" storyline in Star Trek Online, as part of the game's 9th anniversary in January 2019; she is voiced by Mary Wiseman, who also . I think Mary is amazingly pretty and has absolutely nothing to worry about in terms of her figure. Bad, character pandering types of writing, with over-emotional children in the roles of astronaut-scientist-soldiers. Which I think would be a tremendous mistake. She went away and supposedly became an amazing well rounded person. Wiseman possess voluptuous hourglass shaped figure. And Im even more embarrassed by this, but Ive never watched any of the Stargate shows. Correct me if I am wrong, but did she not have to take a command course at some point? New episodes ofStarTrek: Discoverypremiere on Thursdays onCBS All Accessin the U.S. andonCTV Sci-Fi Channelin Canada, where its also available to stream onCrave. And it all happened OFF SCREEN! Took time to reset the franchise. But then again Im not a troll. I think Mary Wiseman is a fantastic actress..the writing for Tilly is an abomination. Lol. She isnt back on Discovery. Sharing? Its very likely shell be on the Star Fleet Academy show if she continues as a regular/recurring character on a Trek show. As far as science fiction most Trek shows have normal looking ppl. Loved that show, so did my wife. The reason why Troi was on the bridge all the timewas that she was a betazoid. It inspired her to switch careers. Theyre losers, pure and simple. Shes supposed to set the example. What do you mean? The Terra Firma arc introduced the real Mirror Universe version of Tilly (aka Captain Killy). Come on she looks great. Theres a difference between celebrating obesity and accepting individual human beings, treating them as human beings, and not targeting them specifically for emotional harassment. You are always very insightful. People sit around a lot more nowadays for a lot of reasons. Jack perhaps you were at the Dave Chappelle protest screaming Judas, you are starting to sound like the type who gets sensitive over everything. Sylvia Tilly was an ambitious female Human Starfleet officer who lived during the mid- 23rd century. And, in that sense, it is okay to be used as it was above. But dont those characteristics fit better on a younger character, while the older one grows up and changes? I personally have battled weight issues all my life since high school and when I am eating healthy and trainng hard, I feel great and can do almost anything (power skating, fast hockey, tons of physical activity) meanwhile the opposite is true when I let myself go (and that does happen). There are a lot of people in the comments hating, but in a franchise that includes Neelix, Wesley Crusher, Naomi Wildman, Kes, and Lwaxana Troi, Tilly is frankly nowhere near as annoying as those other characters. I dont think youre ready for that kind of interaction, online, or anywhere else. I hope were able to explore it because theres potential for great levity, but then also really important conversations to be had because when you care about someone you dont want to see them go through pain, and I can see completely how Tilly will be very protective of Michael Burnham. Be sure to watch Mary Wiseman "Killying it" as Ensign Sylvia Tilly on Star Trek: Discovery. The entire point of Tillys character is that shes a Starfleet officer that doesnt have to be a supermodel like so many Trek characters before: Troi, Seven, TPol, Jadzia perfect golden cut supermodels. Too nervous and anxious. Thats the thing about DSC. Actually, the production team is not helping either. That however does nothing to mitigate the way Burnham has been written to be unforgivably self-absorbed throughout many of the key moments of the series. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. My suspicion is they farm this out to sweatshops somewhere in Asia. And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, only two of which were as a ranked officer, they think shes somehow ready to train the next generation of recruits?! For me, DS9 was the best Star Trek Show for character development. Try the Daily Mail for 5 minutes. Sense of morals. How blandly Puritan. That is not anything to diss. But it looks like TG47 answered your question! They have solved some of these issues the easy way by talking themselves out of it (Klingon hair, holograms, Ariam being no android at all), now that we are in the future none of it really matters anymore. She strikes me as no different than Barkley. SuKal accidentally blowing up all warp ships thats another instance of Trek being intwined with my own life So you offend S3 of DSC, you also sully the memory of my mum and EVERY mother that ever died. Every Thursday night I yell Black Alert to let everyone know Im watching Star Trek. Im sorry I can sugarcoat it. And I belong., After reading the Forbes article, Wiseman got some backup from someone who knows what its like to be a woman in the captains chair: Kate Mulgrew, who thinks Mary is killing it on Discovery and should pay the haters no mind., I saw the @Forbes article on Mary Wiseman @may_wise clearly killing it onscreen & off in #StarTrekDiscovery. But the nu left that this show panders to cant accept any opinion that isnt in agreement with it so they try to immediately invalidate it. Mary Wiseman: I wish there maybe in the future theres room for some protective best friend/boyfriend energy. So I was also just very excited for the fans. My point was Why does the ships therapist have a bridge station? Well, the entire point is she absolutely looks the way I expect her to. I think people need that kind of thing to heal. But because of Discovery we have Lower Decks, Picard, Prodigy, Strange New Worlds, Short Treks, possibly Section 31 and the Academy show. Theres a little Harley Quinn. Somehow these insecure people feel others not like them are a threat to how they see themselves and how the world should, in their opinion, be. Promoting her to the first officer was stupid enough, but now shes leading at the Academy? Miss Wiseman F those fake Trekkies/Treksters keep acting your ass off. So sayeth Scotty, the contrarian. Sort of the same way Spock stayed first officer in the movies to Kirk although he was a captain for five of those films. Some of us dont grasp the very basic foundation of what Star Trek is all about!? Take me to the stars and tell me a story. For your own good, please seek help. Janeway is bridge crew, of course she was coming back! Hopefully its . She is best known for starring as Sylvia Tilly in the Paramount+ science fiction drama series Star Trek: Discovery (2017-present). It took me 3 seasons just to remember all their names. It is not yet known what role, if any, Wisemans Tilly would have in the upcoming season, with possibilities ranging from guest or recurring character to becoming a series regular again. Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. I guess some people would rather the perfect people of TNG than anyone that mirrors back anything they dont want to see in themselves. Im not counting on it. Exactly. This week's episode raised concerns. I feel bad saying this but Ive never a read a Star Trek novel in my life lol. Just grow up and ignore the random internet comments you are elevating the drama of this internet troll thing by talking about it. David Ajala: I would be very dangerous. Look at the progression of Nog on DS9 from Quarks juvenile-delinquent nephew in season 1 to Starfleet Ensign in the Dominion War on how writers can make you believe in a characters growth and progression. In fact, thats all the Discovery crew is qualified as in the 32nd century. Its odd that the bridge crew still feels in the background although they are being used more. However, if we got to see Tilly gradually improve herself. Its been a continuing book series since 2009 and still going. And I want to take care of me so I can continue to be me. All those wonderful things that dont make you a good human being. I agree with you on principle as far at this being fine on a fictional Star Trek show. Cant believe people are so rude as to insult anyone because they dont look the way they expect. Ive finally had the chance to reply to your comment about Lue Elizondo etc on the other thread. Key difference in thinking, and it makes all the difference in the big picture! Sometimes it worked over amazing distances other times not. Im not surprised people making mean comments, some people will find whatever they can that they know will upset everyone and say it. Jury still out on Books character.definitely ahead of the 2 dimensional bridge crew though. "Hope springs eternal" was the central thesis for Star Trek: Discovery's Season 4 finale . It explains why each scene is half-redundant and half-contradictory with the others within the same episode. It seems like people like her say: this is me. None of those thinks make a lick of sense. She never wouldve made it through the Academy. And others opinions dont factor in. Thats kind of what I was playing with. There really are some of the DS9 authors that are stronger and some that tend to tell too much and show to little in their writing in my view. Her empathic abilities work via viewscreens? Basically a good officer whos been in Starfleet for some years but her career stalled due to emotional and self-esteem issues. Right!? Also, quite likely theyre pointing her towards a bigger role in their upcoming Academy show, when she does want the work of tv again. Not liking a character doesnt make a person a troll, so Im not even sure what that nonsensical comment was supposed to mean. Its been sooo inconsistent from day one. I mean, there could have been but it was never seen or talked about. Like maybe he would be way too codependent or something? Proceed accordingly. I understand the actress is very well-respected and a nice person, but I couldnt stand the Tilly character myself. Control over ones own body is the most basic freedom we should have. Tilly is a Harry Kim, Wesley Crusher, Travis Mayweather sort of character at least for me. She gets up in the morning and lives with a purpose, helping her crewmates, and ready to make the ultimate sacrifice if necessary. Discovery may have just said goodbye to one of its crew, but don't worry: She'll be back. We never saw her effort to become that person. I would prefer to finish the rest of Prodigy first season instead. They just didnt do much with him. Btw, I really liked the scene of Tilly and Burnham running back in S1 and eating protein, carbs and fat post workout. My personal opinion is, if you see ribs in their low decolletage, they are probably not so healthy. Fans need to stop being rude and act like gentlemen for once. I could watch Tilly all day!
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