0000057216 00000 n They set their feelings aside and DO the right thing when the chips are down! Meanwhile with all this new increase of Random checks I've been bypassing KCM and just doing the regular line. Almost 80%. It was thought up and the Airline pilots Union and not he Flight attendants union. Jose stop your dammm complaining. Also when is the last time you saw a TSA agent screened when going through a checkpoint . You dont have flight attendants so have no special procedures during flight. Completely disagree with you Ben. You seem to have a rather myopic view of the situation. As for the flight attendant vs. pilot issue, the justification for including flight attendants was always that there simply was not A large part of the problem was allowing crew members - pilots or flight attendants - to use KCM when off duty with the exception of going immediately taccess o/from their base as a commuter. But it's ridiculous to get rid of a program that seems to be working fairly good so far. And several times I have seen PILOTS attempting to bring their family members through KCM and then throw a hissy fit when theyre told no. They are using crew screening issues to say, "Hey - we're doing a great job!" HAAAA!!! - you would really have more "professionals" and those are less likely to abuse the system. Care to share that photo to back up your claims? Visit the Consumer Product Safety Commission's website for more information on what items might be subject to a recall. GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!! Recently I was behind a FA in line to go thru themetal detectorsSHe rang 4 times so they just said go thru no problem.. Am I not mistaken, but in many other parts of the world, do the pilots and FAs not just simply present to the front of the general security queues? Do you know how early we have to arrive to be on time and not get paid? Failure to follow the instruction provided by the TSO may result in action by the TSA, which may include a loss of KCM privileges for that crewmember. I have witnessed them walk through checkpoints in droves with little more than a flash of a badge. Scissors with blade length less than 4 inches . All air carrier employees are subject to TSA screening practices conducted within sterile areas, which include roving screening teams and/or random gate screening. To operate as a CAP Solo Pilot, the member must possess a valid student pilot certificate, or in the case of a pilot transitioning to another aircraft category, at least an FAA Private Pilot certificate in another category and/or class of aircraft, and appropriate solo endorsements from a CAP Instructor Pilot for the make and model aircraft flown. My concern for flight attendants would be the TSA liquid limits. I am a passenger and one day I saw how nasty attitude you get to tsa for random checks. Effective March 31, 2022, the TSA will require KCM eligible crewmembers to scan a KCM-issued barcode card when utilizing a KCM access point. Yeah - I have been strip searched after a hand swipe - just because I made the mistake of applying a hand moisturizer prior to going through screening.). And not punish the rest of us. Have anyone seen how TSA Employees (as well as LEOs )gain access to the secured sterile areas of any of our nation's airports around the country? Q: What should I do if the TSA cannot validate my identity and employment status at the KCM access point? Then there are the handful who do things they shouldn't do, that are making it a lot harder for everyone else. Is air travel going to get even MORE expensive? Yes, we expect, when we get to kcm that we will just be able to walk through and it is a disappointment when we cant. Lmao you think I care about wait times and passenger volume? You can get more details about them at CBP's prohibited and restricted items list.10. Crewmembers are also subject to random inspection anywhere after security including onboard the aircraft before departure. If you are an Employee or an Administrator (DER) please enter the information below to have a password reset emailed to you. why would it bother you what our reactions are? They may not be used on board . I'm a flight attendant with 34 years seniority. There's too many crewmembers to have them all go through pre-check. KCM should be 100% allowed for pilots there is a MASSIVE difference in career terms and pay between pilots and FAs. To check up-to-date regulations, prices of extra luggage, an exhaustive list . The announcement comes after the TSA reportedly discovered crew members smuggling unlawful items and substances through airport security checkpoints. She was seventy-seven years old. 2023 KNOWN CREWMEMBER. The sticky problem here is that a crew member bringing in a pound of drugs could just as easily be bringing in something that could harm an aircraft. CBP is a little different here but TSA is definitely a lot of entry level type people just looking at a x ray machine doing what they were trained, like robots. In May 2007, the TSA approved the first version of an alternate screening method called the Crew Personnel Advanced Screening System (CrewPASS). 53 0 obj <> endobj After-all, in an emergency at 35,000-feet, calling 911 isn't going to save youbut the flight attendants just might? The attention is directed at the wrong people. 31 years as an airline pilot and seven years naval aviator. Yes, I am furious. Questions about the specifics of the program should be directed to your airline. Considering 90% of guns are not even found when the TSA is tested by other government agencies, I'm curious how they even manage to find guns or drugs on crewmembers. Encourage your airline to be more stringent in hiring, join You seem to be missing the point and just jumping on the offense instead. They just flash their ID and in they go to the secure area. Prohibited List: These items under most circumstances cannot be imported into the United States. Flight attendants do not have as much to loose as a pilot. If the crewmember/s indicates possession of the items above or personal international travel, the TSO will notify a Supervisory-TSO (STSO). Perhaps the TSA services will improve if there are enough complaints from pilots and FAs as they way they treat some people is unacceptable. Then go deal with management messaging and calling asking why your late to the gate because you got a random search and your flight is 3 terminals away. Poshmark prohibits the sale of items that have been recalled by governments or manufacturers. Get over yourselves. Legal Notice: This website is only intended to provide an overview of the Known Crewmember program. This isnt the 1980s anymore. I have a problem with the guy with the neck tattoo making $18 bucks an hour that moves in and out of security without a second look telling me, a retired army officer with a top secret security clearance that I need more scrutiny. As for their excuse as to why theyre increasing random security checks, its kind of a dumb argument. If pilots were running a little late for whatever reason, the flight attendants would still be required to be there to board passengers so as not to be faulted with a delay in the boarding process. Prior to the Known Crewmember program and their dedicated lines, it was not uncommon to spend 10-15 minutes being delayed as crew after crew cut in line to be screened before the regular users. Why, because it would require manpower that TSA is unwilling/unable to hire. For all these keyboard cowboys, do you actually know how to Google? Blame it on the flight attendants, but oh the pilots wouldn't try to smuggle anything. Then to say the flight attendants can make a few runs and make their salary. As it is, the random screenings have increased exponentially - to the point where crew members are tempted to go through the pre check line anyway to avoid an extra step of waiting for someone to tell you to go there. Flight attendants have the weapons they need readily available: cockpit access and a bottle of wine from the galley. If there is to be no special consideration for a FA then there should be none for pilots. Benjamin Spooner Briggs, his wife, Sarah, and the couple's 2-year-old daughter, Sophia. Its not entitlement. 0000001822 00000 n An 18% service charge is automatically applied to all beverage purchases, bar retail items, specialty restaurant cover charges, all for-purchase a la carte menu items, and all Spa & Salon services. The vast majority of flight attendants are dedicated professionals, but unfortunately there have been too many examples in the news of flight attendants trying to smuggle drugs through KCM. While you have no idea what its like going through security as many times as we do with our heavy bag, etc, as many times as we do, it is actually quite frustrating to walk up to kcm and be randomed 2/3 of the time. 0000000016 00000 n Airline pilot here. I've got nothing to hide. Make sure you generate as many passenger complaints as you can!! In my opinion and observations, many of the violations that have occurred in recent years have been new flight attendants (at a entry level pay scale) that have little to lose by sneaking things through KCM. %%EOF Without them, you're just an individual sitting in the gate area, getting angrier because your flight is delayed because the flight attendants are stuck in security? 2023 KNOWN CREWMEMBER. Actually, I've seen the pre- check line longer than the general boarding line! Everyone should be screened. xref No other individuals are allowed access in the KCM program. Known Crewmember has been a wonderful privilege. Packages large enough to smuggle a sufficient quantity of and when people are searched - which IS part of the security screening process - then there is a legitimate NECESSITY to escalate something that is illegally found to the appropriate law enforcement authorities. As for the flight attendant vs. pilot issue, the justification for including flight attendants was always that there simply was not enough volume to maintain KCM checkpoints just for pilots. Dont just blame a work group. TSA finds almost all guns. ice axes and ice picks. The system is such a complete mess, and does nothing for safety. Flight crews already have to arrive hours before their flight and are not even getting paid. EVEN with FULL KCM we constantly have to go thru full passenger screening because some airports have NO KCM or limited hours. She'll sometimes get that friend who says, "Hey, can you take my nephew's laptop to the United States to that our friend over there can take it to get repaired/exchanged at the store where he bought it." Your password can't be one that you've used previously. Drug interdiction isn't TSA's job and they know it. Not only does he have an axe under his seat, but he could simply crash the plane. TSA is out of controltheir job is to prevent a 9-11but today they are covid mask enforcers, DEA agents, uniform police etc etcKCM was paid for and pushed in by ALPA with alpa duesthe F/A's got in for free and ruined it. Get your facts straight! The TSA is a SECURITY SCREENING AGENCY not the DEA. There is more time spent in security waiting for a human to look at the images on the screen than any other process. After X amount of time if (when) violations decrease, then just make KCM (or ECA) for pilots only. While I havent seen the document myself, this has allegedly been outlined in a Known Crewmember update, following a meeting with TSA Administrator David Pekoske. The primary mission of TSA is to reduce security vulnerabilities and to strengthen resilience against terrorist attacks in the Nation's transportation systems, including aviation, mass transit, rail, highway, and pipeline, to ensure freedom of movement for people and commerce. Random screening/USP is a normal TSA screening policy. Flight attendants and pilots are not similar in importance or security. Too bad Clayton Osbon didn't have a gun and kill the fo right? Known Crewmember (KCM) - It's a Privilege, Not a Right! Just give us our own lane already. What else are they catching? However, off-duty crews should ALWAYS have to proceed thru the TSA security checkpoints like regular passengers. Crewmembers traveling with pets will be directed to the passenger-screening checkpoint and screened in accordance with TSA screening procedures. * link https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/02/411423341/head-of-tsa-reassigned-after-tests-reveal-security-failures, you tsa guys are cluelessspend a day in ben gurion airport (TLV) and learn what it takes to prevent a 9-11. The bad apples have ruined a great privilege for the masses. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits! Cry for us. Anybody else want to guess how many pilots have gone to federal prison for such crimes as murder? If you really think flying is dangerous because of 9/11 then I would say there are a million other things besides that one and this is an unnecessary power grab by a government agency. As it is, many of us follow the rules and are constantly being chosen to go to regular security; I have no issue with going through but it has become and everyday event for most honest people. The SF system randomly selects individuals to undergo selectee screening and will identify the printed boarding pass or seat request card with a SSSS. Crewmembers are permitted to bring personal property through the KCM access points as long as that property is not on theTSAs. Try it and cry later.. <]>> The smuggling will just end up moving to the SIDA badge holders. Nevertheless, we know it takes man power and probably effects First, crew members appreciate having a KCM check point. b. If someone smuggles drugs or other prohibited items through security or customs, bust them and prosecute, dont completely attempt to re invent the wheel by punishing everyone. And since you're so hung up on logistics, you should be able to comprehend that people in positions of need will more likely risk activities such as drug smuggling. . Will you diffuse the bomb and save the day? . I honestly don't give a flying beep about ending KCM. Security is an illusion there is no reason to subject those flying the airplane to TSA checks. Its simply aggravation when you have to wait on a slow ass employee bus then drag your bag to security and here an offer say You wanna try your luck with a dumb ass grin on their face. Common sense solutions to common sense problems. I haven't been randomed by TSA, ever! Crewmembers may not transit the KCM portal with any. These are limited to 3.4 ounces (100 milliliters) or less per item. It truly serves no purpose, even as a deterrent. A. KCM is designed to confirm an airline flight -crew member's identity and current employment status, expedite their access to sterile areas of airports, reduce backlogs, increase throughput at passenger -screening checkpoints, and make Failure to follow these rules could result in temporary or permanent loss of KCM privileges. They also wear wrinkled dirty uniforms and look about as professional as the Bad News Bears. Flight attendants never should have been included. CDCCheck is a web-based, touchless and digitized solution from DepartureCheck that complies with the documentation, attestation and record-keeping requirements of this order. Hopefully, this is thought out carefully, or there will be delays because crewmembers will be held up at security checkpoints. When you are selected for random, at Denver for instance, you are told to go to random screening. Would have been cool if Clayton Osbon had a gun too right? endstream endobj 64 0 obj <> endobj 65 0 obj <>stream If you disagree, go get your Airline Pilot Certificate and 1500 hours of flight time and compare that with the job requirements to become a flight attendant, and then tell me who is more likely to risk their career at a KCM checkpoint. KCM does not exempt a crewmember from complying with these additional security measures. Thank you. I have heard stories of pilots and flight attendants ferrying money, drugs and electronics and that has led to the loss of this expedited service for us. If they can make their annual salary as a flight attendant with a couple of runs, then they might figure its worth the risk. The use of the KCM program is a privilege and not a right. Our frustration has absolutely nothing to do with entitlement. The more that original mission is replaced by "catch and imprison people carrying contraband" the less it makes sense to ignore the protections afforded under the Fourth. Why not stop all cars on the highway and search for drugs? Unfortunately, due to the dubious actions and agendas of a few, here we are. after being told you got a random. Historical flightdeck positions include: The fact that some flight attendants may feel differently does not change reality. Pilots have much more to lose. So much so, that I usually just go to security line. (I hear at home about how the randoms seem to be more than the actual KCM good-to-gos.). As a result of having the FAA certificate, they are allowed to use the KCM lines. The screenshot is going around. Packages large enough to smuggle a sufficient quantity of drugs show up on X-rays or via manual searches. I dont think there was EVER a 3-4 HOUR security line.except maybe right after 9/11 or perhaps a few times in AMS over the summer. Next time you get on a flight that is cancelled or delayed because the crew cant get through security in a timely fashion perhaps you will remember this . Please follow TSA instructions and do not attempt to resolve the issue with transportation security officers, as they are unable to rectify system failures or denials. HVO@_qIgr&mU%x Jii7l%S~/-iL@+$gh^OFA^ ,=`no~e)b(RJHKiyW:VNXGtZF E`kpn3SkO{ QzW-aIXeAINd~#n"xOZe{u^{OF&kkZ You also clearly dont know what youre talking about if youre suggesting to not screen pilots. They just walk all the way inside the secured area without being challenged or ID/Badge checked. They are the problem, not pilots. I promise you that! There is no rolling back what the TSA currently does - like it or not. I say some because there are agents, pilots, and flights that don't clear security at all. Thanks to the A-holes that ruined this for all of us. Just a couple of weeks ago I posed the question of whether the Known Crewmember Program should be reconsidered. Perhaps we should make it easy for flight attendants to get to the aircraft too? And as you put it yourself, FAs are 'impoverished'. Having an off duty employee pass rider clogging up lines that they didnt subscribe/pay for is spitting into face of As a paying subscriber of CLEAR & TSAPre, I would welcome a dedicated crew/employee line for those employees that are working. First of all your name makes you sound like a racist, secondly I dont remember seeing any articles in approximately the last decade of any pilots smuggling drugs through security. I have an axe every leg i fly and u wanna screen me for a knife lol U cant be this dumb! Crewmembers may not bring pets or pet carriers through the KCM access point. The Airlines and the TSA needs to punish the people that commit the crimes, and not just put out a blanket change that punishes the 99.9% of the pilots and flight attendants that follow the rules. Unaccompanied Baggage. First as the article stated, pilots fly the airplane so and second, at most major airports ground personnel do not have to clear security at all, ever! The current limits are arbitrary and nearly meaningless. Sometimes there's contraband inside, and the well-meaning flight attendant had no idea. If you have been issued a temporary government issued photo ID and it is your only form of government issued identification, proceed to the passenger screening checkpoint or employee screening location to access the airport sterile area. If a crewmember does not present an active KCM barcode card and is referred for screening, they must follow the TSOs instructions and complete the screening process at the passenger screening checkpoint. Effective January 13, 2015, the Transportation Security Administration's (TSA) Known Crewmember (KCM) requirements changed to provide crewmembers access to KCM out of uniform. Containers of liquid that violate the 3.4-ounce (100 milliliter) rule are the number one offender. Our world has changed. "If It can be pumped, poured, spread or sprayed and it's more than 3.4 ounces," it needs to . I would love to see the upcoming changes on the program since I'm currently a flight attendant. That, and the fact that pilots or flight attendants could threaten the safety of the flight, makes crewmembers unique. a. lost an engine, no hydraulics, a decompression, or worse) onboard your next flight and YOU need the assistance of a Flight Attendant to save your life or that of a loved one! You walk on your own to TSA Pre and wait in line with everyone else. Advertiser Disclosure: Some links to credit cards and other products on this website will earn an affiliate commission. And TSA doesn't enforce mask mandates anymore, and when they did it was because they had to follow the directive of The And TSA doesn't enforce mask mandates anymore, and when they did it was because they had to follow the directive of The federal government. If the investigation results in regulatory findings, including a Warning Notice, loss of KCM privileges will continue for the period of time that TSA has determined is necessary. I am sorry to say but sometimes FA and Pilot take advantage of the KCM and sorry to say these but sometimes you also show up late to flights when getting coffee. Flight attendants are first responders..they are highly trained professionals.even if some refuse to acknowledge it. Guess what? You idiots change the security process based on whether or not crew have a certain shirt on. So it's not that they don't understand the reputation-restricted nature of items; it's that they have the rep and still can't buy the items. Crew members who miss the ship should contact the ship's Agent who will be at the port (the address and phone number are always in the Princess Patter, a daily newsletter for our guests). H\Ak0:bf0mBmM85ld8.!gv?d}R{>Eee Right, but the OP say's he has " 100% positive reputation and revered status with Spacer's Choice" and yet " still can't buy restricted items such as mag-picks from Spacer's Choice vending machines". TSA properly is strictly for managing terroristic threats. believe it or not your not nearly as important as you would like to think you are. Which is handing out band-aids and pressing buttons on an AED.after the machine TELLS you to. They will interfere with Clear, TSA Pre and just squeeze in again and create even more frustration, plus they dont pay for TSA checks but PAX do. According to Aero Crew News, in 2023 the Known Crewmember Program (KCM) will be replaced by a new program branded as Expedited Crew Access (ECA). Their union fought for this they should be allowed to keep it. Imagine getting upeset that people smuggling narcotics are getting caught. 0000009729 00000 n Thats fine. A:Authorized crewmembers traveling with a printed boarding pass or seat request card are subject to the TSA Secure Flight (SF) vetting system the same as passengers. Our frustration has absolutely nothing to do with entitlement. Weren't we all background checked by FBI and other Federal Agencies to be issued this ID ? If your crew-member record is SPOTLESS, your random screening should be much much less. In most instances, the TSA will send the crewmember a Letter of Investigation (LOI) explaining the incident that occurred, identifying the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) which the TSA believes was violated, and requesting a written response. How classist of you to assume that they wouldnt also try smuggling drugs, if not for the money then simply for the power and because they can. Youre right though, losing KCM is the least of their problems; however, Full disclosure- Im a flight attendant, and its frustrating to lose this privilege because of crew members who dont follow the rules. There are a number of products which have entry or exit limitations in Spain from outside the European Union, Switzerland, Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein. The Known Crewmember (KCM) program is a joint initiative between Airlines for America (A4A) and the Air Line Pilots Association, Int'l (ALPA).KCM ties airline employee databases together in a seamless way and enables Transportation Security Administration (TSA) security officers to positively verify the identity and employment status of Having an off duty employee pass rider clogging up lines that they didnt subscribe/pay for is spitting into face of the passengers that do. The random serves NO purpose, except harassment UNLESS TSA would escort you directly to screening. Authorized crewmembers traveling with a printed boarding pass or seat request card are subject to the TSA Secure Flight (SF) vetting system the same as passengers. Please remember you said this when YOU have a medical emergency or a general emergency (ie. CAP Solo Pilot 4.1.1.1. This enhancement will include retention of the Crewmember selection for USP for a period of time at all KCM access points in that airport. Therefore, KCM eligible crewmembers are required to understand theKCM Rules for Useand comply with these rules while using the KCM access points. Related Searches. We shouldn't put anything pass anybody. At most: I would like to be seen as a whistle blower. The duration of disqualification from participation in KCM is related to the seriousness of the violation and/or a repeated history of regulatory violations.
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