When you visit any web site, it may store or retrieve information on your browser, mostly in the form of cookies. Prior to this deal, the five-year, $35MM contract Madison Bumgarner signed with the Giants more than a decade ago stood as the record extension for a pitcher with between one and two years of service time. Thats an unlikely worst case for a phenomenal SP, but its there. 2/80m? To your point, Strider hasnt come close to earning it, hes shown PROMISE, not sustained success. I guess thats why you make comments without referencing who you are talking about or what makes you an expert. Another problem is the harder you throw, the more stress you put on your arm and the more likely you are to get injured. The Atlanta Braves announced they agreed to terms with rookie sensation Spencer Strider on a 6-year deal worth $75 million on Monday morning. Extra year for Roy. Ya this was a massive overpay for his final 2 arb years even if they get 2028 and an option for 29. Thats $83M and even then I think those are totally unattainable, even if he won 2 Cy Young Awards and went to the All-Star game every year and what does that save the Braves $11M? Doesnt take a genius to see which one is better for the team. How much do you think 2 seasons of an ace in his prime would cost, when you dont have to buy his decline years in order to get the heart of his career? While no one can predict the future, ATL knows these players theyre extending better than anyone. Spencer Strider is currently the starting pitcher position for the Atlanta Braves in Major League Baseball, the senior baseball league of the United States. If thats the key, then they failed, since theyre significantly overpaying for those arb years. The estimates above are crazy. Corbin Burnes is entering his 5th full season and 2nd pass through arbitration, which is only projected to pay him $11.3M. Was hoping this thread would continue without trolls insulting one another instead of adding actual substance to their argument. They even got an opt out in the form of a cheap buyout if he crashes prior to his last year the Braves control. They lost Acuna and won a WS. Atlanta Braves Newsstand Transactions Spencer Strider, This makes 0 sense when the Braves controlled him for 5 years through arb anyway. That is why teams are willing to pay huge dollars for seasons they know will not offer the same performance as the earlier years. Signed thru 2028, 6 yrs/$75M (23-28) & 29 team option, Service Time (01/2023): 1.003 Put those around 4m for a typical, good player, making it.$69m for Striders first 6 seasons. Someone mentioned Max Fried as a comparison, but Fried barely pitched his first 2 seasons in the majors, and had only a small fraction of a season in 2020, and hasnt seen his last 2 arb awards in any case. We will gladly take him, throw in 20 million of his salary as well since you feel as though youve overpaid for him? $35 million is reasonable figure for FA. Acuna contract was great. Harvey was highly regarded as top prospect while Strider was considered middle reliever until may. Injuries are 75% covered by insurance Since 2020 was a short season lets take the last 4 seasons. Thats conjecture, you stating what his arb years would or wouldnt be considering the volatility of pitchers, players with less than two years of major league experience, players with less than 150 major league innings, and who have barely seen each team once, when pitching has the advantage over hitting when neither has faced each other. I was down there for that last Mets series and all I heard was silence from the Mets fan base Sunday night. The dudes who write for this site were linking Cole to the Angels. He didnt go to the Yankees because he was a Yankee fan. @Pads Fans Him being on the roster all year actually means he WONT be a Super Two. By comparison the Mariners sign Castillo at roughly $22M/year with a $5M option if he needs TJ surgery in the last 3 years with 80% of the contract covering FA years and coming with a similar option year. Braves put RHP Strider on IL with oblique strain, Scherzer tries to test pitch clock limits, gets balk, Jays' Guerrero to miss WBC with inflamed knee, Rangers, LHP Smith agree to 1-year, $1.5M deal, 7 Cubs combine for 1st spring no-no since 2017, Jays 'playing it safe' after Guerrero tweaks knee, PitchCom-tipping: Loud device leaks Twins calls, Eflin's first start after $40M deal impresses Rays. The risks are present, but the reward is fantastic, not to mention that it gives you the inside track in a few years to talk a further extension. Extra year for having a mustache. Theyre a tight group and theyre great young men, Snitker said. Theyre in 10000x better position than anyone in that division to be a long term competitor, for sure. the Mets won the same number of games the Braves did1and Strider got lit up in the only big game he ever pitched inDid he have a good season, yes. He will receive an extra year of service time for that. He had two pre-arb years left and then 3 arb years before the extension. Now if the Braves had Kris Bryanted Strider he would have finished 2024 with just under 3 years of service time and would have been a Super Two that offseason, not the 23-24 offseason. Outside revenue sources will be adjusted when available after the regular season. And Gerrit Cole with the Angels. Using multiple accounts on the same thread shows a much bigger disconnection from reality. So Ill do another one for you since you didnt like my Fried example. The annoying part is we are charged a fee as part of our cable packages to get YES, but more games this year have been splintered off to Prime, Apple and Peacock. The team has 15 players, none of which are Swanson, taking up $180M of their payroll in 2023. Freeman even took Seagers #5 jerseytoo easy. Thats totally irrelevant here. Good grief. Peacock Sunday morning gamessome without announcers; Apple TV Fri night games). Dont know what thats worth, but its not nothin. Thats $47M making his free agent year more like $28M with a $22M option. Cole Phillips, RHP 7. Think hes still representing himself. Braves fans are setup extremely well. Noah Syndergaards arb years: $3M (2018), $6M (2019), $9.7M x 2 (2020 & 2021). The dumb ones, like the Alderson-Eppler-Cohen Mets, traded 11 rWAR worth of MI for the privilege of giving Lindor $363m over 11 seasons because, as usual, they couldnt see what was right in front of them. Doubt theres one single reason that either the Braves or Strider decided this was the best course of action other than it benefits both parties. The fact that you dont know how Super 2 works, totally invalidates your opinion. Good thing Shane Spencer wasnt on the Braves for 2 months this season, they wouldve given him $100m. The Clemson product cracked the Braves Opening Day roster in 2022, initially working multi-inning stints out of the bullpen before ascending to the starting staff, where he not only found success but emerged as a bona fide front-of-the-rotation arm. Those numbers are very reasonable. By Steve Adams | October 10, 2022 at 11:03pm CDT. The Braves dont seem to pay for peak seasons from post-prime age players, especially not at SS, which is about the easiest position to put a cheap, 2 WAR floor under, given fielding peaks in players early 20s. ET, many of these same folks were discussing an extension that could keep the rookie sensation in Atlanta until at least the 2028 season. You are comparing Harveys call up as a full season is disingenuous. The rotation is so strong that 39-year-old Morton, who re-signed for one year and $20 million, could possibly. Over the next 6 years youd probably end up paying him $40m anyway, making the cost of your gamble roughly $40m, since presumably youre paying the buy out in 2029. You see the pieces that are already in place. He divides his timing between the four MLB teams, but one thing is certain. Salary: All-Star: World Series: 2021 Atlanta Braves: 65--2022 Atlanta Braves: This line in the Braves press release is why you dont wait: Strider became the first player in major league history to strike out over 200 with fewer than 100 hits allowed.. A year ago, the Super 2 status was set a 2 years and 116 days, which is about normal, even low in recent years with most Super 2 status cutoffs falling in the 130s. A total of $78.475 mm. Then again, I also had concerns with Baez, who has a higher degree of volatility due to his approach. Strider finished this year with a year and 3 days of service time. If Striders arb awards are similar, the Braves are then getting his 2 FA years for 26m, total, without having to buy a long deal including Striders decline. Similar thing happened last year when LAD needed to replace Corey Seagers offense by sliding Muncy over and signing Freeman at half the price. That mark was quickly smashed by Wander Franco (11 years, $182MM) and further surpassed this summer by Julio Rodriguez (12 years, $210MM). @RunDMC Bingo. The remaining $20-25M will be shared with the rest of the guys who arent arb. He was drafted in the 35th round of the 2017 MLB Draft by the Cleveland Indians, however, he did not sign a contract with them. Lets go Juan Soto. They still unquestionably saved on Striders first two free-agent years, provided he remains healthy. Overall, Strider broke out with 131 2/3 innings of 2.67 ERA ball and a 38.3% strikeout rate that paced all big leaguers who pitched at least 100 innings. Baezs peak, two 6 rWAR seasons in 2018-19, are something Swanson only came close to in 2022 (though, pro rated, his 2020 would have gotten close). The contention window is wide open for years now. Thats only free agent contracts. Cohen would give his first born to have Strider. Additionally. Was Strider ever partially responsible for a teammates death? It allows them to know exactly how much room they have left in the budget. Data Provided By It would also be easier to negotiate more free agent years into the deal while still getting a significant discount on them. We have tools and resources that can help you use sports data. He was a big reason why the Braves had the fifth-best ERA in the league. Half these contracts wont work out. These deals also help lower the luxury tax hit down the road. He already missed a month due to injury. Go Braves! Well put DMC. Players dont sign team friendly contacts because they are happy where they are(Jose Ramirez disagreeS. Strider averaged 13.8 strikeouts per nine innings - best in the big leagues - while posting an 11-5 record, 2.67 earned run average, and 202 strikeouts in 131 2/3 innings. So say he has an impingement, needs surgery, and turns into a 4 ERA SP who goes 120 innings a yearabout the worst case for a dominant 23 year old. Javascript is required for the selection of a player. Name guys that did as well as Strider. Free Agent: 2029, More Spencer Strider Pages at Baseball Reference, 2022 Braves Talk about betting on your good judgment! Golden struck out 276 in his rookie campaign. Theyll probably lose even more money on those years than they gain with the discount on the one or two free agent years, which probably would only be worth $30M max per season even if everything goes mostly right for him. Thats great, except he still has to win a Cy Young, get multiple All-Star games, and or win Gold Gloves. These cookies may be set through our site by our advertising partners. The Giants & Cubbies will follow and up the Goliaths to 5. Every FA in Swansons class is going to be more expensive than he will. The only other way to get that channel is to splurge on the ridiculously overpriced cable providers with their ever-escalating fees. So start 4 years of arbitration at $9-10 million. Not sure who he /them is/are, but I betcha Freddie wishes he wouldve had him/them last off season. Braves fans will be the first ones screaming when all these long term signing dont work out and the team starts getting hamstrung. If Baez and Story sign for 140 add in the shift going awaythe market for Dans is at least 140 plus. Finally, I know people point to the 10 1/2 game lead the Mets had and call it a collapse. Look what Gerrit Cole was able to get. Id be shocked if Strider made more than $45 mil over the next 5 years in total if we let this all play out. Missing 1 seasons worth of games over the length of it (this doesnt seem that hard to imagine with pitchers being pitchers) makes this go from ok to bad real quick. Join our linker program. We just cant afford to pay you market price. Theres some degree of risk for the Braves in laying out such lengthy commitments, even if each looks quite team friendly in a vacuum. 2023 Fantasy Baseball Mock Draft: Salary cap (auction) results for Head-to-Head (H2H) points league . Harris, Strider, Riley, Ronald Acua Jr. and Olson are all signed through at least the 2028 season. It will cost money next year. The work that Alex Anthopoulos is doing with the Braves is outstanding. Become a Stathead & surf this site ad-free. in Columbus, OH If you do not allow these cookies, you will experience less targeted advertising. Lengthy extensions to position players I get. When multiple players including likely Judge, Turner, and Correa surpass 7 years with a $35 MM AAV will you come back and say you were wrong? Its a win-win. Im sure a non-GM telling someone they dont have what it takes to be a GM, carries a lot of weight! Union before player, always. Back when Acuna signed his eight-year, $100MM extension, that was the largest deal ever for a position player with under a year of big league service. Bogaerts took an immensely friendly deal.. Now sign 7! You could risk buying the ticket at the ball game, but it comes with a 10% day-of-purchase fee. Though for the sake of my Mets, I hope they penny pinch and let him walk, haha. Says who? Tyler Wells gets his first start of the spring against Spencer Strider. That earned him a six-year extension worth $75 million. I think thats not quite that straightforward. I dont always disagree w/you. 2/100m? From one English major to another, genius! Then, they would have to compete against the Houston Astros, New York Yankees, Cleveland Guardians or Seattle Mariners. Same. As usual, i was right. Soto put up an .853 OPS and 149 OPS+. Cole has stated since he was in UCLA that he was a Yankee fan and wanted to be in pinstripes when he grew up, he was even drafted by the Yankees and chose college ball, but said it was a tough choice and hoped hed end up there eventually. You can project him to approach or even set some combination of Arb1, Arb2 and Arb3 records, and Strider would still probably come in under $50MM and thats assuming health and sustained dominance. Dansby is gone. Id lose my crap if Seattle paid Kirby that much and he may have the best control since Greg Maddux with Smoltz level velo. Great for Strider too, because he locks in generational guaranteed money. His salary will jump to $20 million in '26 and then rise to $22 million for both of the next two seasons. If the Braves can reposition themselves as Americas Team once again, all that peach juice will come flowing back. And guess what? Spencer Strider, ATL. Strider has improved his reputation this season. A bonus is a bonus. . The Marlins are one new owner away from being elite. Angels were very much in the running for Cole. Or how that extra service time effects Super Two qualifications. Sure lets look at a guy that posts a mid-.800 OPS and has a proven track record of premium pitching success and just assume thats where Strider would fall in five years?! The 23-year-old right-hander has pitched just two seasons above the collegiate level, but his incredible rookie season gave Atlanta confidence to make this commitment. It wouldnt be fair to the rest of the players. Braves need to sign Fried. $35M (2028 Option). They played their home games at Truist Park (Park Factors: 114/116) where 3,129,931 fans witnessed their 2022 Braves finish the season with a .623 winning percentage. Hes a big union guy. Good luck finding someone who doesnt think hell get back to those heights at 25 years old. He sought treatment through medication, but wasn't seeing the improvement he wanted. Thats the point but take it personal. Looking more immediately down the line, the Braves already have $153MM on next years payroll and nearly $110MM on the 2024 payroll. I finally cut the cord and were saving thousands every year. First of all, hes not a Super Two candidate, and even if he was, the Braves would have another year of control to where he wouldnt be a free agent until after 2028. @MJ: If you look at it from Striders perspective, hed be making a lot more money, regardless of where it comes from. TJ surgery for Munoz, Greene, and almost every other guy to hit 99+ mph. There certainly wasnt a universal belief the Mets would win the division since the Mets only was 77 games the prior season. He would have gone there if the contract offer was higher. Wouldve been a massive overpay. Lordy the braves are waaaaay ahead of the curve in finding talent. Nothing disingenuous about that. As in a guy that says no to everything that people tell them. ~$22M (Arb3) Like the saying goes, if dreams were horses, beggars would ride. A multi-billion dollar industry should not make 1/12 of a billion dollar decisions based on data that is significantly colored with ifs and maybes. Atlanta enters Saturday having lost three straight and is 2 games back of the New York Mets for first place in the NL East. The examples and numbers you give and your well edited comments make me believe you are a writer fiction, right? Strider broke the record for fastest to 200 strikeouts in a single season, doing so in 130 innings, two-thirds of an inning quicker than Hall of Famer Randy Johnson in 2001. Love numbers, very structured, feel a level of entitlement with your degree, but your education built knowledge in a subsection of society that doesnt resonate with people outside your industry, so you come off like a pompous no-it-all, but really you have no true foundational advanced level education to help you structure arguments or support your statements! I cannot wait for the Braves/Phillies series to start in a few hours. Next up resign Dansby. Braves are the smartest team in baseball. Already Subscribed? Strider will absolutely get a raise from his last arbitration year, so even a modest raise means the Braves save $20 ++ million in those two seasons alone. As for real estate, go check the difference. If you think he deserves his contract, you are as tone-def as you are capable of catching a pun! They have a big part of their core locked up for years and have set themselves on the path to being contenders for the next five years minimum. View a free real draft analysis of a fantasy baseball league featuring 12 teams in a STD format. I also think thats one reason Freeman was so guilt-ridden, or whatever, about not returning when he had the chance. The Braves do it again, getting 2 FA years of a superb pitcher (incl an option year, fcol), and they get those years very close to a SPs peak ages. Hes definitely Super Two. Scores from any date in Major League history, Minor, Foreign, College, & Black Baseball, Frequently Asked Questions about MLB and Baseball, Subscribe to Stathead Baseball: Get your first month FREE. Id hate to be him if he becomes human in Atlanta over the next 6 years. Braves are the best run organization in all of baseball. It very well could be a bad deal for his team if he cant continue the level of dominance he showed this year or has constant injury problems. A Super Two is in the top 22 percent (in terms of service time not performance) of all players in their service class during the offseason that they have at least 2 but less than 3 years of service time. Thats only one example, but theres so much more risk on the free agent market (especially when looking for TOR arms) than locking up someone that could slot into that. He should call Chaim Bloom and give him instructions. I feel bad for all of the players not being drafted because the owners have shortened the draft. Its about rewarding the player. vs. NYM 1.0 IP, 2 H, 0 SO, 0 BB, 1 ER, Rookie Status: Otherwise, smart to stash the stache. Furthermore, Strider struck out 202 opposing batters in 131.2 innings pitched. The earliest Strider could have been arb eligible was after 2024. While he had great numbers, it was in 2/3 of a season and I have to believe those strikeouts fall off with general usage and fatigue, while also becoming more hittable as his velo drops and his breaking balls lose shape. Or theyre being proactive to keep future payroll in check and balanced out so they dont get caught with uncertain arbitration costs in the future. Strider joined Atlanta's rotation near the end of May and still ended up striking out 202 batters over 131 2/3 innings, becoming the only pitcher in MLB history to record at least 200 strikeouts with fewer than 135 innings. One thing is certain: he divides his time between the four MLB teams. Olson, Riley, Harris, and Strider are all reasonable balances between risk and reward for both the players and the team. Players come and go and rosters turn over constantly. Almost everyone gave up on the Braves when they were 10.5 games back in the NL East. Because we respect your right to privacy, you can choose not to allow some types of cookies. Why? Im doing the same at the end of October. Soto himself did not have a top 5 MVP finish this year for example. Spencer Strider Rumors & News Bats: R Throws: R Height: 72 Weight: 195 Age 23 Seasons: 1 Salary: 570,500 Birthplace: Columbus, Ohio College: Clemson Rumors & News Videos Photos TalkingChop Feb 8, 2023 Daily Hammer Podcast: The Braves Could Feature Some of the Best Brands in Baseball A fourth-round gem in the extremely truncated 2020 draft (five rounds), Strider skyrocketed through the Braves system despite a lack of minor league games in 2020, ultimately making his Major League debut late in the 2021 season. On the other hand, a subscription to Apple TV+ is remarkably cheap, comparatively: $4.99 a month or $49.99 a year. Love to see it for the player, team and the fan base. Your proof of value starts with if. If you dont you price yourself out of future contracts by playing the waiting game. Smith-Shawver, RHP 6. And we're still kind of mulling over what's the right thing for us and him and how to use him.. Atlanta, of course, had previously already signed outfielder Ronald Acuna Jr. and second baseman Ozzie Albies to club-friendly extensions. A.J. However, blocking some types of cookies may impact your experience of the site and the services we are able to offer. Im sure it will be reasonably priced. Maybe MLB realizes that they werent actually racist. So obviously the imaginary extra year of arb isnt getting us anywhere near. He'll be paid a $4MM salary in 2025 before jumping to . If you swap those times it would be a 1pm local start in LA, at least this way its a 4pm local start in ATL. Atlanta Braves rookie pitcher Spencer Strider had himself a day against the Reds on Saturday - he struck out 11 hitters in just six innings of work and got the win to improve to 4-2 on the. 5-to-1 Strider has TJ surgery again in the next 5 years. Research when he was drafted by the Yankees coming out of High School. Your login session has expired. GM of the year imo. Swanson is better then Baez. He started 20 times and finished three . They control his first two FA years for somewhere in the range of $40-50MM total, depending how aggressively you want to project his arb numbers and only one of the two years is even guaranteed. 2026: $14-15M AA is saving money collectively and signing his core players. Pads Fans spends 5 hours a day commenting from multiple accounts and STILL doesnt know how Super Two works. The Braves also surely are still hopeful of extending Fried, whos controlled through the 2024 season. Both Story and Baez are much better players. The team looking to sign Swanson should have some concerns that his 2022 is unlike anything prior. Short and skinnier pitchers dont hold up well, as a general rule. I absolutely love the Strider extension. Those two pitchers both took home multiple pieces of hardware. Average MLB salary rose to record $4.22M in '22. Just saying. With future commitments, he still has a lot to accomplish in his life. Its not if Strider has TJ surgery, but when he will have it. THIRD BASE Nolan Arenado, 3B, STL. FF fired his agent. My stupid destined to be wrong estimate is7 years @160 mill. This is a big market spending club unfortunately, And Clayton Kershaw was going to sign with the Rangers cuz hes a local guy. First, he wouldnt qualify for Super 2 if hes 2nd in NL ROY voting. Strider is going to bonuses left and right which wouldve added to his arb numbers if he went that route. If you dont catch it and cancel the extra comments before the edit button expires, it looks like youve repeated the same post. His club finished the season with an 88-73 record, finally winning the 2021 World Series, giving the team its first title since the initial victory in 1995. If Strider had 1.169 time on the MLB roster, then hed be a candidate for Super-Two next year, but hes got 1.003, so he wouldnt ever be classified Super-Two unless they send him down. Mets 6986: Three days at seasons end and 2.1 innings pitched by Strider in 2021. You are going in with an assumption that he will absolutely get it. October 28, 1998 If he is 2nd in ROY he gets huge bonuses and STILL qualifies for Super Two. They wont because the union wont allow it to only benefit a segment of the members. $16M (2026)
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