There is no way to come into agreement when their Bible is smaller than ours. [2] When it grew too large for the house, it moved two blocks away to the home of another African American, Richard Asberry. Have you carefully read it? Can Christians use Pauls Forgetting the things which are behindI press on statement as an excuse to not get right with those theyve hurt? This is ridiculous, but I can partly understand on this one, because there was a time when I didnt take Jesus words seriously enough, myself. Seymour stayed at the home of a friend, Edward Lee, and started a prayer meeting at Lee's house. Even the fingernails grew back! In 1909, Seymour prophesied the next revival will come in about 100 years! William J. Seymour was born in Centerville, Louisiana, to former slaves Simon and Phillis Seymour, who raised him in the Baptist church. [12][13] While in Cincinnati, Seymour contracted smallpox and was blinded in his left eye. His leadership and participation in the Azusa Street Revival at the beginning of the 1900s sparked the growth of a global reawakening to the ministry of the Holy Spirit and a large missionary sending movement. We just right now, are at the 100 years of this William Seymour Azusa Street prophecy 1500 packed into Stone Church each night. William Seymor. I cant think of a bigger turn-off to God than to claim that He alone decides from before the person was even born where they will go up or down. As the dream continued, the man, whom she noticed was speaking with a heavy accent, said to Gina, This is how America will be saved! William J. Seymour Jesus, Heart, Men 81 Copy quote Let us honor the blood of Jesus Christ every moment of our lives, and we will be sweet in our souls. In Christ we are JUDICIALLY ACCOUNTED TO BE righteous, not that we ever perfectly attain it. To think that it is God telling you not to care what I think is utterly a delusion of your own mind. Kinlaw, Im free! Jeff, please consider this. I think this is in part where the term full Gospel comes from. Yes Lord it is taken place now, and It is coming to pass, Praise God!!! reallyits happening right here in South Africa.Tongaat.the great awakening revival. Prayerfully, with a humble heart, read Who-Goes-To-Heaven, and youll have your answer. Real revival is just getting back to real Christianity, which God is longing to help us to do, once we get tired of living in the pig pen. Kinlaw, Imfree!. [33] Over the next three days, the Asberry home became the focus of attention among the various networks of Wesleyan holiness people. If theyre not Christians, why should we care what they say when their doctrines are from demons, twisted amalgamations designed to fool as many into hell as possible? Weredue!!! THE UNDERGROUND MINES echoed with the sounds of PRAYER and HYMNS, instead of nasty jokes and gossip. An explanation I found online, the Canon being all of scripture: Everyone has a canon within the canon, Zahl suggested, that sums up the Bibles message. Hope u find this helpful. On the night of April 9, 1906, Seymour and seven men were waiting on God on Bonnie Brae Street, "when suddenly, as though hit by a bolt of lightning . to the Pentecostal Movement, began in 1906. Seymour was described as "humble," "quiet" and "soft spoken." William Durham said of him: He walks and talks with God. The absolute truth is that these sins, including the ones youre bringing up do keep us from oneness. With their once-saved-always-saved doctrine they cant lose their salvation if they ever had it. [50] Parham denounced these views as unscriptural. A Man of Prayer Seymour spent a lot of time in prayer and in fasting, going on to be known as a man of uncommon prayerfulness. My family and I are a part of Morning Star church. PhileoTruth, document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); William Seymour, 1909: Next Revival Will Come in About 100 Years It's Due! Bound by religious spirits, they just rattle on. Why are we looking for these end-times revivals when nothing in the Bible suggests that there will be one? Seymour, son of slaves and blind in one eye, humbly paved the way and was used by God to ignite a revival fire that has since spread around the globe, introducing millions of people to Jesus and to the Holy Spirit in a powerful way. Click on the Who Goes To Heaven category in the pull-down menu on the right for the posts in reverse chronological order. Wes Hall [IHOP] on William Seymours 1909 prophecy of the shekinah glory returning to the church in 100 years: Let me tell you about the church in the book of Acts. [14], Seymour moved to Houston in 1903. May we respond in an ongoing chorus of prayer until this vision becomes a full-blown reality. Only those who are marked at the doorpost will enter in. [14] Between 1895 and 1905, Seymour also met other holiness leaders, including John Graham Lake and Charles Parham, who was leading a growing movement in the Midwest. in one place, it would be all over the world. So many today are worshiping in the mountains, big churches, stone and frame buildings. Why dont Christians come into agreement about church doctrine? Follow AzQuotes on Facebook, Twitter and Google+. Your email address will not be published. His unfortunate background in the occult may explain reports that he received visions from God in his early life. Its hard to believe that a revival interested person would do such a thing. he did this in 1909, that there would be a. Biography, Life and Ministry of William Seymour, The Catalyst of Pentecost and The Man Behind Azuza Street Revival An African American, holiness preacher who initiated [] It is amazing and so awesome to be alive in this day in time despite all the labor pains the earth is enduring. [55] The loss of the newsletter was a crippling blow to the Azusa revival. (John 17), From: Sid Roths Its Supernatural, July 14-20, 2008. With the notable exception of Parham, who was uncomfortable with the mixing of races at Azusa, many other prominent holiness preachers, like G.B. Seymour was one of the most influential African-American religious leaders of his time, and . Seymour broke with Parham in 1906 over theological differences as well as Parham's unhappiness with interracial revival meetings. Published in 2006. Do so, not as a defensive, caustic, attitude-bunny, but regard me as a fellow student of the Word with a different p.o.v. [36] By that time, the group was far too large for the Asberry's house; at one point the weight of the overflowing attendees caused the front porch to collapse, forcing Seymour to look for a new location. Praise Center Ministries Sapulpa, OK. This seems kind of cold. It has been 100 years since these prophecies were given. The reason is Holiness: valleys are now being lifted up and mountains are now being brought low. In 1906, William J. Seymour (1870-1922) preached Pentecostal revival at the Azusa Street mission in Los Angeles. So unless I am convinced otherwise, I dont see any reason to care what doctrine twisters are trying to push. Can anyone actually verify that this prophecy was spoken by Seymour. William Joseph Seymour was the second of eight children born to emancipated slaves Simon and Phyllis Salabar Seymour in Centerville, Louisiana. The eagles were dripping wet from wells of revival that had suddenly been uncapped and were gushing water once again. William J. Seymour's most popular book is The Azusa Papers. I believe the number one reason is false doctrine: once-saved-always-saved; tithing instead of being led by the Holy Spirit; demons cant be in Christians; rampant James-3 cursing (especially by pastors) not mentioned; pastors dont need to be blameless according to 1 Timothy; prophets should be sidelined and ignored; pre-trib rapture; warmongering and torturing is peacemaking; the greatest commandment being greatly ignored, and the second greatest commandment being selectively applied; etc.. Ive spoken to a scholar in the Charismatic stream who never saw this prophecy when he searched the Azusa Street Revival papers. The word "Pentecostal" is a name describing churches and Christian believers who emphasize a post-salvation experience known as "the baptism in the Holy Spirit.". Youll see that their Christianity is mostly just cerebral. We dont have to relate to Him according to what Paul and many other New Testament writers clearly say. The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! city. He was the second of eight children born to emancipated slaves and raised Catholic in extreme poverty in Louisiana . Its embarrassing to the name of Christ to be so foolish and so wrong so often! [22] During this time, Seymour continued praying that he would receive the baptism with the Holy Spirit. The great Azusa Street Awakening, which over the years resulted in 600 million being swept into the Kingdom of God and gave birth to the Pentecostal Movement, began in 1906. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. William Seymour, the leader of the Azusa Street Awakening, also prophesied that in 100 years there would be an outpouring of God's Spirit and His Shekinah Glory that would be greater and more far reaching than what was experienced at Azusa. You commented on what happened in the early church but recognize that even it dealt with a lot of carnality (read the Pauline epistles, particularly to Galatians and Corinthians). There he came to believe in divine healing, the rapture of the saints and Premillennialism, justification by faith and "sanctification as a second work of grace." 2 All sporting events cancelled, but the arenas are filled with faceless (selfless) people praying for the sick. Its so sad that its come to this. [17] On January 1, 1901, Parham and some of his students were praying over Agnes Ozman when she began to speak in what was interpreted to be Chinese, a language Ozman never learned. This revelation was given to William Seymour during Azusa Revival that God will visit us again in the "latter days"! As the revival's influence extended beyond Los Angeles through evangelism and missionary work, Seymour was in the process of developing the revival into a larger organization called the Apostolic Faith Movement. Now this depression will bring us to our knees. 24 Father, I desire that they also whom you have given me be with me where I am, that they may see my glory, which you have given me, for you loved me before the foundation of the world. In 2000, Time-Life published The One Hundred Most Important Events Of One Thousand Years 1000-2000AD. Moreover, John 17 the prayer of Jesus for oneness was fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost. I felt that being in this army, in this battle, had to be one of the greatest adventures of all time. [ 4] Im somewhat familiar with Morning Star from way back, but not so much recently, except for the Paul Cain low point. . Wonderful news!! I now realize if Seymours prophecy of an even greater and more far reaching outpouring of the Holy Spirit and Shekinah Glory than Azusa took place in recent years, church leaders would use it to validate the legitimacy of actions of Donald Trump as President. You have grown desperate for God to do in our day what He has done in times past. only greater would come again, only this time it wouldnt be William Joseph Seymour (May 2, 1870 September 28, 1922) was an African-American holiness preacher who initiated the Azusa Street Revival, an influential event in the rise of the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements. http://onecanhappen.com/2008/01/30/asbury-revival-1970-dr-kinlaw-i-am-a-liar-now-what-do-i-do, Asbury Revival, 1970: Dr. Regardless, the revival is coming with or without this prophecy. The truth is that the Bible shows us how far we have fallen from Gods perfection. (Daddy) Seymour In the fourth chapter of John, the words come, "Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God and who it is that saith to thee Give me to drink, thou wouldest have asked of Him and He would have given thee living water." These are all things that the Bible clearly says. Most of the prayer ministries and church leaders on the forefront of taking Seymours prophecy seriously became intensely loyal followers of President Trump. arms that did not exist coming out and growing, Rather, when we come to agreement in the faith of who He is and His finished work. William J. Seymour (1870-1922) was one of the most influential men in the birthing of the modern Pentecostal movement. He declared that in about 100 years there would come another move of God that would make the Azusa . On April 9 (Passover), 1906, after five weeks of Seymour's preaching and prayer, and three days . It is happening at Rabboni center ministries. This is the door of hope and its about to open. Then he started crying again and he said, "Charlie you didnt lose hope for America. [6] In 1895, Seymour moved to Indianapolis,[7] where he attended the Simpson Chapel Methodist Episcopal Church[8] (and possibly other African American churches) and became a born-again Christian. I believe we are increasingly close to the literal fulfillment of Seymours prophecy. Among other things, the holiness leadership claimed that sanctification and the baptism of the Holy Spirit were the same thing, while Seymour remained unconvinced that the leaders themselves had been baptized in the Spirit. [28][29] Hutchins and the local holiness association called a special meeting at which they asked Seymour doctrinal questions. As for Romans 8:1b have you read 1 John 1:8? Most of us, he added, find it difficult to live with other parts of scripture that conflict with our personal canon.. : I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. No. William J Seymour the founder of the Apostolic Faith Mission, with its headquarters at 312 Azusa Street, Los Angeles impacted the Pentecostal movement across the world during a time of racial. I try to carefully respond to what youre saying and its as if you didnt even read half of what I said. When he saw me, he came over and hugged me and said, You made it! I looked at him and asked, Where are we Lou? (1993), Could smartphones be the mark of the Beast, without which one cant buy or sell? If you do find out that it isnt legit, please let me know. the same day, at two separate locations, prophesied that there. We've got the enemy to fight, who is trying to do away with Christianity. At times the early church got it right, and at other times they didnt, which is especially shown in Rev. None of us (you included) keeps the Law perfectly even as Christians. Well-known names in the early Pentecostal movement like Parham, Lake, F. F. Bosworth, Thomas Hezmalhalch, and many others attended the revival and then took what they had received to the mission fields. And Paul said there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ, who do not live according to the flesh but by the Spirit (Romans 8:1&b b is missing in the NIV and some others). Title / Author Type Language Date / Edition Publication; 1. I consider Rick Joyners book, The Final Quest to still be very significant. Please cite the specific verses. Jeff Fenske [Im actually really saddened by this.]. who were involved in the biggest move of miracles William J. Seymour, a mild-mannered African-American Holiness preacher, is remembered as one of the most important figures in twentieth century American religious history. He continued as pastor until his death. It will determine where we will spend forever, The Skunk Factor: The role of weed in Americas decline Elites wanteveryonestoned to control us, ESV Gideons Edition: About This Bible Removed verses restored incl. Salvation is the complete work of God- not us. Ive been cautioning you all along about false conclusions. Paul said those who are led by the Spirit are the children of God (Romans 8). For people were crying out with the truth but were ridiculed and James-3 cursed. I hope youve read my Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? They just relegate Him out our lives. The then-present apostles did do miracles at the time as the canon of Scripture was open it confirmed their teachings. You obviously are someone who must have everyone agree with him (before or after he argues them down). People getting healed by laying on of hands, saved, and freed from demons.. God is good! Lots of prayer ministries had a focus of seeing Seymours prophecy come to pass. I dont see hardly any teaching or testimonies about the importance for people to get right with those theyve hurt, which was the focus during the Asbury Revival, 1970, that was so powerful! The deception in the last days will be great. Otherwise, the early church had its sin-problems just as we do and every other generation of the church has had since Christ ascended. Great Post, Right On! His parents, Simon Seymour (also known as Simon Simon) and Phillis Salabar were both former slaves. People who refuse to believe that we are even suppose to be led by the Spirit cant be Christians because Paul said Those who are led by the Spirit are the children of God. We must abide in Christ or we arent real Christians. @Jeff, Im very excited about it, but it seems that theyre missing some key ingredients in order for ONE (what Rick calls the unity of the brethren and what Jesus called us to be in John 17) to fully happen. I wrote one post on the subject and a follow-up. There isnt much of the greatest commandment going on love the Lord, your God with all of your heart, soul, mind and strength. Integer posuere erat a ante venenatis dapibus posuere velit aliquet. first hand what occurred, stories such as ears But I would think that this scholar probably looked at them. The glory which you have given me, I have given to them; that they may be one, even as we are one perfected into one; that the world may know. And from a non-charismatic perspective, you can see that Ive talked a lot about the Asbury Revival (and so do many non-charismatics even Calvinist seminary professors), which I consider a real revival: Asbury Revival, 1970: Dr. Angel of Prophecy ( 2023 - February . You say: What about the finished work of Christ? Voice of the Martyrs lists Israel as a country hostile to Christianity Billy Graham held rallies in 185 countries, including communist, but has never been allowed to hold an evangelistic rally in Israel, (music vid) 'I Use the J Word' DeGarmo & Key Heat. From the comment below: Having no You seem to emphasize works (mostly thou shalt nots such as second marriages) over faith in Christ and adherence to His word. All of these things disqualify them from going to heaven. revival that will come, tell me about that. God initiates our salvation and He completes it. [5], Seymour grew up during a period of heightened racism that likely led to his decision to move north, away from the persecution endured by southern blacks around the turn of the century. The twenty-one-year-old William then became the primary provider for his family, growing subsistence crops with very limited income from other sources. Shortly after the elections, while we were focused intently in prayer for the nation, Chris Berglund had a remarkable dream. Jesus prayed we'd be 'ONE' with each other in Him that the world will know! For as much as we desire to attain to all of those descriptive passages you selected, we all fall short. For I will pour water on the thirsty landAnd streams on the dry ground;I will pour out My Spirit on your offspring,And My blessing on your descendants; Isaiah 44:3. They were given a promise of Isaiah 44:3, which kept them praying until their faith became sight. Most really do lust and/or hate and/or lie. [53] Disapproving of Seymour's action, Lum resigned her post, stole the paper's mailing list and joined Crawford in Portland, where they began publishing The Apostolic Faith newspaper without Seymour. Seymour responded by recanting an earlier acknowledgement of Parham's authority and declaring the Holy Ghost to be the mission's only leader. (Ex 21:1-6, Rom 1:1), Pray that the Church would come into such an experiential knowledge of His presence that we will carry the gospel of the Kingdom to the ends of the earth with healings, signs and wonders following. My contention with your proposition is that it affronts the sovereignty of God. It makes us pure and whiter than snow. Each person who caught a pencil would then write out a statement. 8:1b, If a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her, for her hair is given to her for a covering 1 Cor. Do you accept Mark 16 as true? Believing in Jesus cannot save you if you do not follow and obey Him. If you dont want iron to sharpen iron, then quit posting. Overjoyed, the group walked to the Asberry's house for the evening meeting. He tells me that he met some of the people and heard Again, revival is not promised to be repeated until He comes again. Stories of extraordinary healing miracles and phenomenal mystical experiences when a cloud would descend upon the religious services led by Rev. Up. William J. Seymour Sweet, Jesus, Blood 74 Copy quote So many today are worshiping in the mountains, big churches, stone and frame buildings. [49], The revival at Azusa continued to grow until 1908. No. . No. But then I heard it again. By the end of 1909, the movement had achieved geographical ubiquity. Lum had arguably the most powerful position outside of Seymour in the movement because of her extensive experience and abilities, particularly as editor of the newspaper. 12 Reasons NOT To Expect a PRE-Trib Rapture, Pre-trib rapture is a demonic deception designed to keep Christians off-guard. Sid: So about a hundred years would be 2009? Seymour, the son of former slaves, had been raised as a Baptist and later joined a radical Holiness church. Many will even sell their souls to take the Mark of the Beast, if this does happen in our lifetimes, and everything points to it. But Jesus teaches that salvation is not in these stone structures-not in the mountains-not in the hills, but in God. Im not against the joy thing at all, but I dont believe what Rick prophesied would happen in The Final Quest is going to happen until there is serious holiness and reverence toward God. William Joseph Seymour (1870-1922) was a prominent African-American religious leader in the early twentieth century. In the course of his lifetime, Seymour was one of the most influential black religious leaders of his time, and the influence of his work can be felt into this day. Dutch shared a detailed account of a dream by Gina Gholston which is summarized below: On 2/2/21 Gina dreamed she was standing with a man she did not recognize and together they were observing the United States of America. And remember Romans 8:1b and also those who are led by the Spirit are the children of God, Paul continues in Romans 8. We can all be happy ONE! 100 Year Prophecy (William J Seymour) 39 35 100 Year Prophecy (William J Seymour) Share Watch on RELATED ARTICLES MORE FROM AUTHOR God's Generals One That Believes ~ a sermon by John G Lake God's Generals 52nd Annual Morris Cerullo Restoration World Conference at Legacy God's Generals The Azusa Street Revival was a historic series of revival meetings that took place in Los Angeles, California. BTW Jeff, [11], In 1901, Seymour moved to Cincinnati, where he worked as a waiter and probably attended God's Bible School and Training Home, a school founded by holiness preacher Martin Wells Knapp. The church is too busy manufacturing revivals and prophetic predictions. And the glory of the LORD will be revealed, and all humanity together will see it.. When the Lord brings repetitive dreams like this it certainly gets our attention. In ensuing years, especially from 2010 to 2014, I had so many incredible encounters with the Lord that I cant even remember them all. This site is dedicated to discover the blockages that are keeping ONE from happening, so ONE can happen. Parham and Seymour shared pulpits and street corners on several occasions during the early weeks of 1906,[21] with Parham only permitting Seymour to preach to blacks. Every region of the United States had a Pentecostal presence, with additional missions planted in 50 nations worldwide. jeff. And you can say that we are to focus on living holy, but how many Christians really are to the biblical degree, such as in all three of the passages in my header? Therefore, I think their teaching borders on being an anti-Trinitarian cult. Jeff, you dont realize how dangerous your conclusions/propositions are. William worked for GM as an Executive for 34 years before his retirement. Its a Hebrew concept referring to extraordinary manifestations of the Presence of God. in 600 million being swept into the Kingdom of God and gave birth. Subject index for books, articles and websites published on modern languages, literatures, folklore, linguistics, and theater. [9], In Indianapolis, Seymour was introduced to the Holiness movement through Daniel S. Warner's "Evening Light Saints", a group whose distinctive beliefs included non-sectarianism, faith healing, foot washing, the imminent Second Coming of Christ, and separation from "the world" in actions, beliefs, and lifestyle, including not wearing jewelry or neckties. Tommy Welchel was a teen-age runaway in the mid-1960s. His parents had been slaves prior to the Civil War. John Wimber was enemy #1 so things could get back to normal. Number 68 on their list: the Azusa Street Revival of 1906. Jeff. An ordained minister and the son of freed slaves, he is regarded as one of the founders of modern Pentecostalism. Jesus doesnt just say things that he doesnt expect people to actually do. I'd recommend looking up Kat Kerr. Fingerprint reader (hand) & iris scanner (forehead) + Google Glass (forehead), "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED" A LIE FROM HELL! Azusa Street, They Told Me Their Stories The Azusa Street Revival is one of world's largest modern-day global Christian movements. Yes, we are once-saved-always-saved in Christ. Surely the Shekainah Glory is back i confirm the prophesy of man of God William Seymour. We also believe its time for prayer. The shekina glory never left azusa, even thout the pentecost fire and creative miralces went all over the world. William J. Seymour has 11 books on Goodreads with 951 ratings. As Frank Bartleman observed, "The news spread like fire, naturally. Religious Figure. This is good to hear! During the 2006 Azusa Street Centennial in Los Angeles, a new book showed up on the book table along with lots of other new books AZUSA STREET: They Told Me Their Stories by Tommy Welchel. AS LONG AS THERE IS THE HOLY SPIRIT, THERE IS MIRACLE, HEALING, AND MORE.One thing I wanna say, "NEVER LIMIT THE MOVE OF BELOVED HOLY SPIRIT"Plus, BELIEVING MAKES EVERYTHING POSSIBLE.Mabuhay Philippines# Shamgar, You are confirming what I have been feeling in my spirit. Paul said: dont be deceived, whatsoever a man sows that does he reap (Galatians 6). Moreover, Christ did not promise revival as the reward for us coming into oneness. WILLIAM J. SEYMOUR The Founder of Modern Pentecostalism Today, the spiritual heirs of the Azusa Street Revival number over half a billion, making Pentecostals and Charismatics the second largest and the fastest-growing family of Christians in the world. l no solo guo el movimiento a otros a Cristo tanto por sus enseanzas como por su piedad personal, sino que tambin los reuni sin distincin de raza o de denominaciones. I quoted this part (which Im very excited about) in a post at my site: When we reached the level called The Unity of the Brethren, none of the enemys arrows could reach us. John 17: 20 Not for these only do I pray, but for those also who believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one; even as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that you sent me. In this case, a couple elderly women struck up a conversation with him. The church, for as much as I would AGREE WITH YOU, that it should return to holiness, your prescriptions are legalistic, prideful (as they single out sins that perhaps you dont personally feel that you struggle with), and utterly harmful in their implications to the body of Christ. So I suppose its time I accept the downturn thats coming as a good thing, because the spiritual fruit that will come will cause many to turn from their wicked ways. One of the greatest movements in history was ignited when handful of African Americans met together in a home with their only agenda to encounter more of God. Cashwell and C.H. He delegated authority to twelve overseers, ordained ministers, and commissioned missionaries. Within one year, the circulation of Seymour's paper reached 40,000 issues. Proud, well-dressed preachers come in to "investigate." Soon their high looks are replaced with wonder, then conviction comes, and very often you . I have spoken to his grandson who is from Topeka where Charles Parham had a school and Seymore attended that school prior to going to azuza. Seymour came to believe that blacks and whites worshipping together was a surer sign of God's blessing and the Spirit's healing presence than speaking in tongues. [26][27] Although Parham believed Seymour unqualified because he had not yet been baptized in the Holy Spirit, Seymour went to Los Angeles anyway. I heard: I dont care what you think. After observing some ecstatic practices and racial mixing in worship, he went to the pulpit and began to preach that God was disgusted at the state of the revival. What is this place? Suddenly I knew we were standing in front of the door that Duncan Campbell had spoken of in his sermon When God Stepped Down from Heaven. Lou looked at me and smiled and said, You see it? Knapp taught Premillennialismthat Jesus would return prior to a literal millenniumand also took seriously "special revelation" such as dreams and visions. Were not one with each other and most Christians arent in Christ according to Romans 8:1b (the verse missing in most modern translations, but its in 8:4) and other scriptures.
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