They all work together. (2 Cor. I wonder sometimes if the pastor didnt hit one of your sins and instead of getting you under conviction, you just got angry. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. We dont mind being scrutinized or even judged. For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in peoples faces. [4] Anderson has also produced videos in which he attacks the religion of Judaism and questions the official account of the Holocaust. [1], New IFB churches have caused controversy on several occasions, because of their opposition to homosexuality. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin. When I read what you have written, I sense that you are bitter, hurt, angry, and possibly disillusioned. His son a child murderer. Wow, nice list. A friendly fellowship group for members of local New Testament Independent Baptist churches. The ones that do apply, I dont see a problem with (ie, we do have a track rack and we do have a van that picks up from surrounding neighborhoods and I do enjoy attending church 3 times a week and would enjoy more if possible.) The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. They are shared in my article about tithing: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? We should teach our children of who Jesus is and how we should live a holy or Christian life. You might be an independent Fundamental Baptist if. We teach that baptism is necessary for salvation as I get this quote from the King James Version from John 3:5; Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 9 Their worship of me is pointless, because their teachings are rules made by humans.. We believe that the New Testament church is a local assembly of baptized believers who have voluntarily joined themselves toge therto carry out the Great Commission. I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. Im told its because when u abandon the real truth, theres hardly any hope. I have read other versions of the Bible. You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! Pastor and his wife did pay for the reception, photography, and shower. 9. We believe that all the saved should live in such a manner as not to bring reproach upon their Savior and Lord; and, that separation from all religius apostasy, all worldly and sinful pleasures, practices and associations is commanded of God (II Timothy 3:1-5; Romans 12:1, 2, 14:13; I John 2:15-17; II John 9-11; II Corinthians 6:14-7:1). 35. Same position regarding IFB belief 29. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. Read Matthew 23 for more information. If your church funnels in inner city kids via a bus ministry, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 24. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical Thanks for reading! The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. Smoking, drinking, partying, dancing, listening to secular music or Contemporary music arent sinful though partying can only be sinful if you are drunk. If you believe that you can tell who the good Christians are and who the bad Christians are by looking at the fruit in their lives, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 51. To be brought back to the norm of what being a Christian is all about. We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. 23. Hypocrites! Attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved There are so many churches that claim the be the one, true, church, especially the Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Anglicans, some Lutherans, Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, etc. WebSecond, it is Fundamental. Did I have to marry him because I forgave him? Jonathan I have a question for you..IF the wine is grape juice (as in the water Jesus turned to wine)HOW can you get drunk on it???? No one should be forced to any belief against his or her will. Im so thankful for Gods grace on your life and the lives of your family. Mental health issues is a result of sin and poor choices same position with my belief concerning IFB 48. We will never attain that on this side. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. A church that has tract rack I dont know what they are for but my old church has one for storing hymn books (or hymnals), pew bibles, bible study books, etc. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. Pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body My preacher never preaches that though there are very few people at my current church that smoke. Any ways God is good and can use any church to reach anyone it all depends on if you as an individual will receive his free gift of salvation, because God is that powerful. But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. I love this!! But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. I dont believe some of the Catholic doctrine is true, but all have belief in things they believe and unbelief in things they dont believe. I dont see how. My church members are filled with sin and give account to God alone. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. But if people come here to attack me and my views I will defend myself. insidious I like that word. I have no belief, opinion, or position of this [2] They are described by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as "a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings." The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the Yes, we have a tract rack. I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. If you think that the KJV is inspired, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 2. In the last days, you will get churches like you have described in your initial post, but not all of them are the same. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. That may mean dressing appropriately and not dis honoring your body because its a holy temple. Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. 1. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: Also, we lived in a free Appartement with food stamps. No, thats silly! Thats sweet. I dare say probably not. N/A If you are careful to not show any emotion while singing for fear that you could be considered dancing, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 33. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. We recognize the ordinances of baptism by immersion in water and the Lord's Supper as a Scriptural means of testimony for local churches in this age (Matthew. There are those who are called to rebuke abusive religious practices. Fannin was later ejected as the lead preacher of SBC-Jax. Pastors daughter did my hair and cleaned my dress with baby wipes. These are not sacraments to earn salvation, but privileges granted by grace. Every child of God has equal access to their Heavenly Father. N/A You dont just GO WITH THE FLOW. I would of rather take the word literally than follow the world. Im going back to my independent baptist church where there is no compromising. 13 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. But it cannot be pleasant carrying all that bitterness around with you every day. ? Its concept of an ecclesiastical Kingdom is not supported by Scripture. 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. In thinking back, I see that the church was filled with tiny idols like that. The IFB are Pharisees of our day. To love Jesus is to love his word and follow his commands because we love him. If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. 25. I was married when I attended before and now as a divorced woman, I know I probably would be looked down upon. The parable of the prodigal son is talking about Israel the younger and Judah the elder. (Genesis 2:24; Genesis 19:5, 13; Genesis 26:8-9; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:26-29; 1 Corinthians 5:1, 6:9; 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8; Hebrews 13:4). Every person is individually responsible to God and will be judged according to the beliefs and practices he or she freely chooses. Sons of vipers! Jesus died for all, and if God is willing to forgive me because Jesus died for me than I will forgive another because Jesus died for them too. We reject all cooperation with this movement. Its never spoken but up there to read. Dont throw your pearls to pigs! You should read my article on that: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, Dont get me wrong but tithing is still scriptural, even within the New Testament. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. But I do know some churches practice free will offerings instead of tithing. If youve been taught that robbing God (not giving 10% of gross income) is the special, one specific sin that will cause God to lift all protection of your life and allow satan FULL LIBERTY to destroy you. And, aside from the ones you mentioned that are truly sinful (i.e, #17, #53), and the ones that are just inaccurate (i.e, #13, #16, #35), some of these are interesting picks to end up on the list. Ephesians 2:8-9 Im happy to defend my position, but I dont tolerate assumptions, attacks, accusations, judgments, bullying or anything of the like. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading , The KJV isnt the inspired word of God. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. God Bless. Thank God for grace! I respond to IFB jabs, sometimes that requires a jab back. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. They simply do not know and probably lack the ability to do the research, but Cyril I. Scofield was a Confederate soldier who left his wife and two children and later remarried another woman. The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. Every person is subject to these authorities, but all (including the authorities themselves) are answerable to God and are governed by His Word. Its a Biblical principle that we are commanded to follow. Grow your faith in a less toxic environment. Believing its a sin is one thing, believing its an unforgivable sin is another. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. It made me think of this, Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; Its a shame, but whattayagonnado? We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. Fellowship, guidance, and encouragement of the local church family are essential for believers to maintain an unwavering testimony and a meaningful life of service. Only a person who has embraced the Savior in fa Continue Reading 4 AbdulQadir Salati For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthyfull of greed and self-indulgence! This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. Satan's eternal end is everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10). More than one earring per ear for women is worldly I dont agree that multiple earrings per ear for women is worldly as long its not fancy. Webindependent Baptist, to place in the hands of members of independent Baptist churches to help them to know the meaning of church membership and to better understand the doctrines and polity of Baptists, and particularly the reasons why we are independent Baptists and not affiliated with one of the various and sundry organizations among 11. It emphasizes love at the expense of truth. 50. While I have no opinions on this I do agree that wives, from a biblical view, should be submissive to their husbands because its found in Ephesians 5:22-23: 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. Christ died for his sin already, so he had already been forgiven by God. G. M. Matheny. I can count on one hand the number of IFBs whove asked for a discussion instead of attacking me. If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. What is the Baptist Church, and what do Baptists believe? I forgave him before he changed. The other thing is: Nowhere in the bible are we commanded to attend a regular CHURCH building and dress nice. So spontaneous but like it was planned. However, it wasnt Baptists that ordained him and of the IFB folks I know, they are lukewarm to the Scofield bible. If I have misunderstood I apologize. How about shortchanging the Lord out of 20 minutes of Sunday service time worship for game show gimmickry hype to boost attendance? The IFB is the organization hurting His cause. I like door knocking is any of our church compelled to do so? What is a Bible Baptist Church, and what do Bible Baptists believe. Pastor and his wife paid for reception, photographers, and and shower. when you run into her at Wal*Mart. We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). 26. If the devil is going to attack, he will attack the family and the church first. Like I said, Im doing repair work. If your church as at least 2 Revivals per year, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. If your pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body but is himself an obese glutton, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 25. If you might confuse KJV with KJB its the same thing but its a preference on how people might want to call it. (Matthew 22:15-22; 28:19-20;Romans 13:1-7). Wow! How come many Americans havent heard of the Independent Fundamental Baptist church movement? Whether we worship with hymns or hands int he air praise and worship songs, we are all suppose to be on the same side. I dont think it applies to all IFB churches, the ones I grew up in didnt do some of these, but the rest definitely apply. Everyone has health issues. I dare say it would be the one you enjoy making fun of. We had no money. I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. Since God looks at Jesus to forgive Ill look at Jesus also to forgive. Even I believe that if you are living in sin you are getting to the point where you are eventually will lose your salvation. 42. We dont believe if you get rid of all the sin in your life youll be a completely healthy person. 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. your comments are offensive, you are narrow minded. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. We struggled putting off our addictions, but over came them trough prayer. People that oppose things is due to beliefs, so I believe if you oppose the IFB church its because you dont believe what their teaching not because there bitter. Scofield came to know Christ AFTER all of that, so I dont hold that against him. If you think anything what the churches teach about salvation is easy believing this is not true in our congregation. 8. You can read some of the experiences here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. To train up a child does not mean to beat him with a rod, although there BE TIMES that a spanking becomes necessary, but NEVER out of anger. you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. Matthew 6:14-15 is a warning not a command. We only care when we see new faces in the church, whether guests or new members. If you attend a church each Sunday with a team of men that keeps track of attendence each Sunday In our congregation, we do not do that. as a former IFB, I read this.mmmmmm, mixing truth with deceptionI wonder the author uses, the same tactics as the serpent in the garden??? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. You should have, instead of adding a dozen or so of your comments, said If you believe everything in the Bible, you might be an Independent Baptist. Please correct me if Im wrong, but arent we supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible, such as tithing? I know you scoff at my pity but there it is. Even though I dont believe the churchs teachings anymore, Im very grateful for the care and support I received from the Baptists growing up. We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. For they dont practice what they teach. Are these points form the KJV Bible or is it carved from the principles from scriptures. There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. Cleveland Baptist Church - Cleveland, OH - Pastor Kevin Folger ; Community Baptist Im not responsible for how its perceived. Plus they pray to the saints. I know the answers now. Sometimes it makes you wonder if they have EVER read/learned anything from Jesus! Also, #55 there has only been and will ever only be one perfect person. Me and my husband got saved 3 1/2 years ago at an IFB church. I love the Lord with all my heart-I attend church when I want and where I wantbut mostly I have bible studies with Christian friends in coffee shops, homes, and restaurants and (I usually have on a pair of blue jeans. I love devotions with the Lord. If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 55. Youre perfect for them because they dont want people challenging their belief system. You tend to lump independent Baptist or independent religious organizations into one lump, sensing that they are all the same. We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Person who reproves the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment; and that He is the Supernatural Agent in regeneration, indwelling all believers and sealing them unto the day of redemption (John 16:8-11; II Corinthians 3:6; Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13-14). He wasnt saying that spanking is right or wrong, but that definitely extreme discipline and beating kids is not what the Bible teaches. Clapping after special is music is wrong because it gives praise to performers rather than to God That statement is wrong. 1 John 1:9 Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. If you had one opportunity to send a lost love one time to any church , which would it be ? If you read any other bible besides the Kjv bible you not sining. No, Baptist churches are not sinless because they are filled with forgiven sinners. Most people find it hard to swallow that anyone really thinks that way at all. 28:19-20; Acts 2:41-42, 18:18; I Corinthians 11:23-26). The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series If you believe women shouldnt wear pants, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 12. If I chose to forgive him there would be hope for our relationship. 52. (II Corinthians 12:12; I Corinthians 13:8; Hebrews 2:3-4; Mark 16:17-20; I Corinthians 1:22, 14:21-22). THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! 8. Care to elaborate, provide examples? In fact, if you're single you know what I'm talking about. 3 1/2 years ago we were addicted to marijuana, cigarettes, alcohol, and pills. Like a grenade strike, no commitment to understand or empathize, just broad and arrogant assumptions. 20 When you swear by the altar, you are swearing by it and by everything on it. We believe that the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues and the gift of healing, were temporary. We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. We didnt go, but they came back the next week. Some of these are very much right on the money. We also teach that one must hear the Word of God, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must repent of your sins, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must be baptized for the remissions of sins, and one must live faithful until death. 47. We told to get married. Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. Steve, Im a 29 year old pastor of an independent Baptist church. Jesus does that. If your your church funnels in the inner city kids via a bus ministry We dont have a bus ministry since the city of the church I go to is small. 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Hypocrites! Belief number 51 is absolutely wrong. 21 And when you swear by the Temple, you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. Thats not unique to the IFB. That was an extensive list, and sooooo true! We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ accomplished our redemption through His finished work on the cross as a representative, vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice; and that our justification is made sure by His literal, physical resurrection from the dead (Romans 3:24-25; I Peter 2:24; Ephesians 1:7; I Peter 1:3-5). If a child is behaving like a child (i.e., appropriate for his/her age), but you think they are being misbehaving and rebellious, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 40. You might I had a pastor who was reaching out to me in the darkest part of my life, he used a broken phone as a way to get to me, he knew I could try and fix it, so he brought it to me and, rather than berating me, after I had fixed the phone he simply asked me Would it be okay if we just prayed together? and I knew, in that moment, that he actually did care about me, he didnt ask me to come to church, didnt ask for money, didnt ask for anything except for the opportunity to pray with me. We believe that God created the entire universe in six literal, twenty-four-hour days (Genesis 1:1-27). Same pastor who says to his congregation I love you, we all love you here.and we will not judge you. [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. at people who raise their hands during worship music you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 34. If you go to a church that sings/plays Just As I Am at the end of every service, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 21. Im sure that this was meant to be funny but I can tell that you seem bitter. Although some Independent Baptist churches refuse affiliation with Baptist denominations, various Independent Baptist Church denominations have been founded. Yes, see my answer to your first question. They were so grieved by the fact that they had broken a 30+ year record of being at church three times a week. My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. Believers will be caught up to be with the Lord prior to the seven years of tribulation, and at the end of the tribulation Christ will return with His saints to establish His thousand-year reign on the earth (I Thessalonians 4:13-18; Titus 2:13; I Thessalonians 1:10; Revelation 3:10; Zechariah 14:4-11; Revelation 19:11-16, 20:1-6; Psalm 89:3-4). Or preferring the KJV? There are some things that the IFB does very well, such as fellowship. God values his word, even above his own name, and when you or I meet God, what we think means nothing to God, unless it lines up with His Word. This is because primarily I am a Bible Believer and if church doctrine of any individual church does not line with scripture, then this so called doctrine is nothing more than a vain tradition. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. If Just As I Am causes you to repent and go to the altar, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Can God heal if it be his will yes he can. Read one thing, make a judgment that Im just bitter and move on. But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter and unhappy so I honestly feel badly for you. Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? IFB people as a whole, are generally willfully ignorant people. If you believe that the wine referred to in the Bible is nothing more than fruit of the vine (AKA grape juice), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 26. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. We believe the Blessed Hope of our Lord's return is literal, personal, visible, imminent, premillennial, and pretribulational. The Pharisees were filled with hypocrisy and iniquity and my church is not. Why would I even send a lost loved one to church instead of sharing the gospel with them for that matter? 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny.
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